sorry you are not special. Every farm I worked on, every farmer I have ever talked to payed much more than min wage even to high school kids. As you pointed out there is real hard work being done. Flipping burgers or getting someone a cup of coffee not so much.

Originally Posted by: wpr 

And neither is sitting a desk and fucking people considered hard work in any way shape or form. I'm all for helping people get ahead, and I sure as hell am never going to be a fuckstick trying to keep poor people poor, which is exactly all of you opposing raising minimum wage increases are doing. But make sure you all get to church on Sunday and reaffirm what good people you are.

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 

And neither is sitting a desk and fucking people considered hard work in any way shape or form. I'm all for helping people get ahead, and I sure as hell am never going to be a fuckstick trying to keep poor people poor, which is exactly all of you opposing raising minimum wage increases are doing. But make sure you all get to church on Sunday and reaffirm what good people you are.

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 

If you want to earn more, learn a marketable skill/trade to do so. You don't whine about how the President is failing YOU because YOU can't support your SIX kids off flipping burgers.

Originally Posted by: Kevin 

The arrogance and lack of humility in this forum pisses me off. At least a burger flipper has a bead of sweat dripping down his face once in a while. People working those "menial" jobs are an absolute necessity in this country of lazy fucks that can't even cook a meal for themselves anymore. I've met a whole lof of worhtless "professionals" in my day, that don't deserve their paychecks, not even close.

Besides, a lot of the higher paying skilled jobs were shipped overseas - or don't any of you geniuses actually pay attention to what the people you vote for do.

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 

I just hope he wipes that bead of sweat off before it drips on my burger.

I have an idea. Instead of just having a minimum wage we could also have a maximum wage. What does it take to live comfortably these days. 100 grand? 250 grand? half a mil? Lets just cap all income at that level and take all that money that would have been given to those people and give it to the other workers. Notice I didn't say give it to the welfare leeches, give it to the other workers, at least they are working for it. If we did that we could probably raise the minimum wage to 25 bucks an hour. Pretty much anybody should be able to live on that.

Actually Dakota I agree with a lot of what you are saying. There are a lot of professionals making obscene amounts of money and amounts of money that they are not "earning" However, it is mostly the private sector (by private I mean non government although I think politician salaries and benefits are a bit whacked as well.) that is paying this out. Are you saying the government should step in and limit the amount of salary and benefits a private company can pay? It would be nice if everyone making over a certain amount of money would willingly give their excess to the poor but that is where morality comes in and you legislate morality.

Originally Posted by: sschind 

I wouldn't ever agree to a maximum wage for anybody, because that would be very UnAmerican. All they need to do is correct the tax code: no more capital gains taxes - income is income and you pay in the top rate for all your income exceeding X amounts of dollars. No more cap on the Social Security tax, which is currently at $125,000. Wealthy people pay SS tax on all of their income not just the first $125K. And in times of financial crisis the top rate is adjusted to make up the difference. I guarantee you that those politicians will keep their spending in check.

Being born an American shouldn't just be a privilege to some and leave out those that were born in poverty.

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 

now this is something I agree with 100%. Well maybe 95% I'm not sure I am on board with adjusting the top rate on a whim whenever a shortfall is expected. maybe we just adjust the politicians rates

Maybe it is time we stop calling for the wealthy to pay their fair share because fair is a subjective term. Whatever the share is we should insist they pay their FULL share. I'm sure if they all did that there would be a huge difference.

Originally Posted by: sschind