Packers want to speed up offense· Page 3

Rockmolder
Honored Member

10 years ago

Why in the hell would we want to speed things up when we have a smash mouth, old school, power running back? Man, i read some stupid shit in here once in a while. Now is the time to have a balanced offense and wear teams down, and most importantly have a rested defense.

Originally Posted by: DakotaT

Running against a defence after it has had to defend against 60 plays works better than having to play against a defence that has played just 40 snaps, though.

If we slow it down we have a 1/3 less plays, hence much less yardage and much fewer snaps. If you slow the game down, BOTH teams end up with fewer plays.

The offense should operate at the tempo at which it is most effective: i.e. most points per possession. If that's running the hurry up, run the hurry up. If that's grinding out a slow methodical game, do that. If the defense wants a rest, force a three and out.

Originally Posted by: mi_keys

I agree. When you have as strong a defense as we have, why slow the game down and put the emphasis on your defense? I'd want the ball as much and as often as possible in every single game.

Lacy won't be less effective because we take a lot of snaps. And if he needs a breather, we have enough depth on offense to give him one. Same goes for our WR group.

steveishere
Veteran Member

10 years ago

#22

An offense running quickly and efficiently helps the defense. It puts the other team on their heels and cuts their playbook in half when they get down. I really don't see how our offenses have been bad for our defense when we have typically kept our D in great field position. Our offenses usually rarely go 3 and out, they move the ball even if they have to punt so the other team is backed up and put up a lot of points. If you can't hold the other team under 30 points I'm sorry but that's not because you were tired it's because you simply weren't good at your job.

nerdmann
Premier Member

10 years ago

#23

We all know how our defense struggles. Not only due to Dom refusing to play anyone but "his" guys, but do to the decimating injuries that occur like clockwork year in and year out.

Why put more pressure on them than is absolutely necessary? Why hang them out to dry in key situations? Yeah, maybe they should "get it done," no matter what. But why continuously make it difficult for them?

Aaron is supposedly at his best when he gets to the LoS early, surveys the defense, uses fake cadence to get them to twitch, then knows what is coming and can change the play. This takes time, and as many of you from the chat room know, as I bitch about it regularly, causes numerous wasted timeouts every week. Not only does that run the clock, but it keeps our shaky defense off the field.

The only reason to run 75 plays per game is for stat whoring, plain and simple. Don't get me wrong, I'd love for Aaron to erase Favre from the record books. But he should start with SB victories.

“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”

Mucky Tundra
Honored Member

10 years ago

#24

The only reason to run 75 plays per game is for stat whoring, plain and simple. Don't get me wrong, I'd love for Aaron to erase Favre from the record books. But he should start with SB victories.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann

Even the INT record? [grin1]

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DoddPower
Veteran Member

10 years ago

#25

But he should start with SB victories.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann

Because that's so obviously not Aaron Rodgers or the Green Bay Packers goal.

Rockmolder
Honored Member

10 years ago

#26

Because that's so obviously not Aaron Rodgers or the Green Bay Packers goal.

Originally Posted by: DoddPower

No. His sole purpose is statwhoring. Learn to read, Dodd.

Dexter_Sinister
Registered

10 years ago

#27

Defenses play better when they're not worn down.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann

Sounds logical.

But why doesn't it make any difference in the W column? TOP has no effect on winning %.

Some teams do very well if they use the D to milk the clock when they have a lead.

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mi_keys
Senior Member

10 years ago

#28

Sounds logical.

But why doesn't it make any difference in the W column? TOP has no effect on winning %.

Some teams do very well if they use the D to milk the clock when they have a lead.

Originally Posted by: Dexter_Sinister

Probably because TOP is a shit proxy for the extent to which a defense is worn down. You can have an offense go three and out running the ball three times or throwing three incompletions. One uses up over 2 minutes of game clock. The other: 20 seconds. Yet in real time the defense has been on the sideline just as long in both cases.

One team could be dominating possession over the course of a game, but if the opposing team comes out and effectively runs an up-tempo offense to the point where the defense can't effectively sub players, that defense is going to end up gassed at some point in the drive.

During a 3-3.5 hour broadcast the ball is only in play somewhere between 10-15 minutes. You've got well over an hour of commercials. The clock stops for countless reasons while we all watch replays or teams are huddled up or milling about.

There are lots of ways in which time of possession does not accurately gauge how tired a defense should be.

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nerdmann
Premier Member

10 years ago

#29

Sounds logical.

But why doesn't it make any difference in the W column? TOP has no effect on winning %.

Some teams do very well if they use the D to milk the clock when they have a lead.

Originally Posted by: Dexter_Sinister

Tell you what, when we get Nitzschke back and some guys on D who can get it done with the season on the line, go ahead and run some fad bullshit on O. Until then, let's try to be realistic with what we've got.

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