musccy
10 years ago

I wouldn't say he's irreplaceable but I do think he maximized the talent of guys like Zombo and Walden and got the most out of the talent that was there. That doesn't mean he's the best or someone else can't do the same but I do think he was a good coach.

Originally Posted by: steveishere 



I more or less agree with Texas. He was a loud meathead.

Around the time he came in there was a lot of chatter among Packer fans wanting more emotion on the sideline, especially from M.M. so Greene sort of appeased that crowd, but in the five or so years he was here, what big results did we see. Yeah Walden had a splash and was NFL DPOW, Zombo was good during the SB run, but those were just a few short-term examples in an otherwise underwhelming LB performance these past few seasons.

steveishere
10 years ago
I don't really get the "loudmouth" and "meathead" type of stuff. Seems more like a false perception to me. In all his interviews or times he was shown on camera as a coach he came off as pretty professional to me.
Dulak
10 years ago

I don't really get the "loudmouth" and "meathead" type of stuff. Seems more like a false perception to me. In all his interviews or times he was shown on camera as a coach he came off as pretty professional to me.

Originally Posted by: steveishere 



I really liked what he did with our OLBs - IMO if it were not for injuries we would of decimated offenses.
texaspackerbacker
10 years ago

I really liked what he did with our OLBs - IMO if it were not for injuries we would of decimated offenses.

Originally Posted by: Dulak 



Do you mean Capers or Greene? It sounds like you're talking about Greene, but anything about how to use the OLBs - blitzing, etc. - would be Capers, not Greene.

If that decimation was gonna happen last year, how much more this year with Peppers in the picture?
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play2win
10 years ago

My problem with Dom is the sheer number of guys who seemingly cannot grasp his scheme (especially on the back end). If you have to keep more talented players on the bench because they don't know the defense as well as vets who aren't very good then you need to make an adjustment.

Originally Posted by: steveishere 



This makes me think immediately to a Lombardiism, one where he spoke of teaching his players in the most simple of terms.

I wish Capers would embrace more rookies, but then again, maybe those who weren't trusted really weren't ready for the concepts. It is not like he doesn't trust them at all, because we saw quite a lot of trust instilled in both Casey Hayward and Micah Hyde as rookies, and they performed exceptionally well. That, and he has had to prep many rookies to step up for injured veterans in his tenure here, quite a lot.

McCarthy's insistence that they simplify our D, and allow for the talent to produce more than scheme is refreshing, and I do think it will render some really positive results. We may see exceptional results if we can stay healthy.
Zero2Cool
10 years ago

This makes me think immediately to a Lombardiism, one where he spoke of teaching his players in the most simple of terms.

I wish Capers would embrace more rookies, but then again, maybe those who weren't trusted really weren't ready for the concepts. It is not like he doesn't trust them at all, because we saw quite a lot of trust instilled in both Casey Hayward and Micah Hyde as rookies, and they performed exceptionally well. That, and he has had to prep many rookies to step up for injured veterans in his tenure here, quite a lot.

McCarthy's insistence that they simplify our D, and allow for the talent to produce more than scheme is refreshing, and I do think it will render some really positive results. We may see exceptional results if we can stay healthy.

Originally Posted by: play2win 



I am not sure if trust was instilled in Casey Hayward, or if trust was earned by his play.

Rookies shouldn't be given anything. They should be forced to earn they way onto the field, as should every player.
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play2win
10 years ago

I am not sure if trust was instilled in Casey Hayward, or if trust was earned by his play.

Rookies shouldn't be given anything. They should be forced to earn they way onto the field, as should every player.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



Semantics. He won the position and they trusted him to do a good job within the system and he did... Right? He earned it. I am really looking forward to seeing him play this year and for him to stay healthy. He has some incredible ball skills, and great instincts for the game.
OlHoss1884
10 years ago
Something I remember being talked about during the draft was how the Steelers tended to draft guys to "redshirt" them on the defense for a year or two then have them step in. I wonder, since Capers comes from the LeBeau school of defense if it's the nature of the zone blitz scheme to take a year or two to acclimate to it before being ready to contribute.

With the Packers method of drafting talent this would seem to be the way to build it, but like with the age and infirmity hitting the Steelers now, it can be a problem if you need to replace someone right away. For them, look at the issues with no Casey Hampton and an injured Polamalu.

I am not sure simplifying things will necessarily be enough but I DO like the build up of talent over the last few ywars. While it isn't a top 5 defense I just don't see any more glaring needs on that side of the ball.
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musccy
10 years ago

Something I remember being talked about during the draft was how the Steelers tended to draft guys to "redshirt" them on the defense for a year or two then have them step in. I wonder, since Capers comes from the LeBeau school of defense if it's the nature of the zone blitz scheme to take a year or two to acclimate to it before being ready to contribute.

With the Packers method of drafting talent this would seem to be the way to build it, but like with the age and infirmity hitting the Steelers now, it can be a problem if you need to replace someone right away. For them, look at the issues with no Casey Hampton and an injured Polamalu.

I am not sure simplifying things will necessarily be enough but I DO like the build up of talent over the last few ywars. While it isn't a top 5 defense I just don't see any more glaring needs on that side of the ball.

Originally Posted by: OlHoss1884 



Rookies are 21-22 year old kids - they have not fully developed their speed, strength, or general physical maturity, so to rely on or expect any rookie to be a significant contributor at any position is a poor reflection of the depth and development of your football team.





nerdmann
10 years ago

I don't really get the "loudmouth" and "meathead" type of stuff. Seems more like a false perception to me. In all his interviews or times he was shown on camera as a coach he came off as pretty professional to me.

Originally Posted by: steveishere 



Greene wasn't the only coach who walked away inexplicably this offseason. It seems to me that something's up, one way or another. Either they were told to take a walk, or they chose to, because they didn't like what was (or wasn't?) going on. We just don't know.
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