play2win
10 years ago

Saw an interesting tweet just now

https://twitter.com/JPSTATS/status/461187036708212736/photo/1 

Originally Posted by: steveishere 



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Nice find steveishere. Well done.
uffda udfa
10 years ago

Yeah it's just the # of receptions he had while facing a top guy I think. Meaning he could have racked up a bunch of receptions against just a couple top guys. Though that sounds like a good thing to me. When he faced good CBs he was able to beat them. Considering he probably didn't face that many top guys I would say it's a good guess he was never really shut down by anyone. He did also probably beat a bunch of not great CBs for a bunch of stats but that's what most top guys do anyways. This really just shows that he CAN beat good competition not necessarily how often he had to do it.

It also kind of illustrates how it's dangerous to judge the talent of a player by the overall quality of a team. A lot of the defenses he played against were really bad but that doesn't necessarily mean the guy lining up across from him was.

Originally Posted by: steveishere 



It might be, however, a top CB on a crappy D is likely going to have to cover a lot longer if his DL and LB can't put any pressure on the QB. So many variables it's hard to get a real idea of what's what. If Adams has done it just one time, there's no reason to believe he can't do it, again. Still, I wish the guy was closer to 4.4 than 4.6 and I know some will post his pro day time, which is hand timed, or that Ted say "that wasn't our time". In the YouTube clips he does not look like a guy with great speed compared to some of the others I watched who do.


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DarkaneRules
10 years ago
jordy was 4.51 right? we didn't draft a burner. oh well. maybe next year?
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play2win
10 years ago
Again, I think 40 times need to be taken for what they are worth... great measure in shorts with running shoes on a track in straight line speed measurement. Means very little though as an accurate measure of one's true playing speed vs. another with full gear on, on turf. Some guys play faster than others.
evad04
10 years ago

It might be, however, a top CB on a crappy D is likely going to have to cover a lot longer if his DL and LB can't put any pressure on the QB. So many variables it's hard to get a real idea of what's what. If Adams has done it just one time, there's no reason to believe he can't do it, again. Still, I wish the guy was closer to 4.4 than 4.6 and I know some will post his pro day time, which is hand timed, or that Ted say "that wasn't our time". In the YouTube clips he does not look like a guy with great speed compared to some of the others I watched who do.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



I think you wanted a burner and you're miffed the Pack didn't get one.

I tried to argue in the chat the other day that there's more to speed than 40 times.

Good route runners use good feet and technique to get where they're going with quickness. Plenty of guys are more quick than fast -- James Jones, Greg Jennings, Jordy Nelson and Randall Cobb all fit that bill. Cobb is the most explosive of the bunch, but he doesn't run a blistering 40. Nelson has proven to be a legitimate deep threat -- again, not a burner. Jennings and Jones make plays after the catch. Agility can't be measured by a 40 time.

Lack of top-end speed didn't seem to be a factor against Adams at Fresno from what I can tell.

If Davante is asked to run a go route, he won't be the fastest guy on the field, sure. But he has other special qualities -- jumps out of the building and catches everything. To me, that sounds like a playmaker. Our offense can always use more of those.
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hardrocker950
10 years ago

Again, I think 40 times need to be taken for what they are worth... great measure in shorts with running shoes on a track in straight line speed measurement. Means very little though as an accurate measure of one's true playing speed vs. another with full gear on, on turf. Some guys play faster than others.

Originally Posted by: play2win 



Good for measuring - if you are building a track team. I agree fully that playing on turf vs running on a track are very different. I will take a receiver with good hands and competitive for the ball over a simply fast guy any day of the week.
DarkaneRules
10 years ago
So many big plays in a timing offense come from an ability to make yourself open even when you are not. Rodgers throws people open and we need guys who can adapt to that. I think we drafted players who can do that.
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uffda udfa
10 years ago
I understand and would say it myself about 40 times not always being reflective of a player's ability to succeed in the NFL to a point. You aren't running 4.8 and playing WR.

Adams timed slower than Abbrederis. We got a speed guy, I just wish he came before Round 7. We have lacked the true burner for years. I was hoping we'd add one up high. We took the guy with the least attractive speed out of the guys that were in the group that was going anywhere from end of Round 1-2. We have to beat teams like Seattle who are physical and fast. I would've preferred a big strong fast WR to go against them. Adams isn't overly strong when you compare his bench reps to James Jones. Jones was a much stronger WR. Just disappointed he doesn't have some of the tools that our WR group, in whole, is missing. He may be a fine WR. We'll see. I just didn't want a guy who this could be said of:

WEAKNESSES: Lacks the elite speed that his gaudy production indicates. Possesses normal acceleration and tops out quickly. (from CBSsports.com)
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evad04
10 years ago
I don't think the Packer offense has any appreciable lack of speed. One of your favorite of the bunch, Randall Cobb, doesn't have great speed or the strength to match up with likes of Seattle's corners. And yet, Cobb makes plays. Runs great routes, is quicker than fast and can make plays after the catch. It isn't all about having a burner.

Maybe Lattimer turns out to be a real playmaker -- a guy with the size, speed and jumping ability. But I think we got a good player in Davante. He seems like an excellent fit. That's what I hear everyone else saying, and I tend to agree with them.
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uffda udfa
10 years ago
Fitment is nice. It just sounds like they used a 2nd round pick to get back what they didn't resign in FA. Was hoping they'd add a different dimension to the offense instead of finding a guy who would just fit. That was the beauty of Cobb's addition...he was different than what we had. Diversified our offense. This pick just seems to keep it the same and I don't get that at all.

You brought up Latimer...man, will I ever look to see what he's doing in Denver and Moncrief in Indy. Allen Robinson in Jax, also, although, Robinson is more in line with what Davante is...a non speed prospect. Who knows? Maybe, Janis will be everything I'd hoped we'd get out of a high pick at WR?
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