Yerko
10 years ago
If Houston or Jacksonville are the trading partners, I would be all for trading down.

There's a good possibility that players like C.J. Mosley or Ryan Shazier are sitting there at the beginning of the 2nd.


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luigis
10 years ago

If Houston or Jacksonville are the trading partners, I would be all for trading down.

There's a good possibility that players like C.J. Mosley or Ryan Shazier are sitting there at the beginning of the 2nd.

Originally Posted by: Yerko 



If CJ Mosley is available in the 2nd round I'll eat my hat without mayo. [grin1]


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warhawk
10 years ago
I don't see any reason to trade up with the 21st pick. There is plenty of very good football players that will be sitting there unlike other years when we drafted later and true 1st round talent was all but gone.

STAYING PUT: (3 Rounds)
We draft at #21, #53, 85, and, 98


MOVING UP:
Would have to mean losing pick #53.
So maybe we end up with say #16, 85, and, 98.

MOVING DOWN: To late round 1 or very early Round 2
Would give us at least two 2nd round picks and three 3rd round Picks. Ted could also then trade back up two of the third round picks to get back into round two.

I for one have no desire to move up and then watch all these good players go off the board and not pick again until late round 3. I don't see any player between say 15 and 20 THAT much better than the players that will be available at #21 or #31 for that matter worth doing this.

"The train is leaving the station."
play2win
10 years ago
Yeah, warhawk, I don't know who we would move up for either from the 21 spot. I just don't see it in R1.

What I could see is Ted possibly trying to get back into R1 by packaging a pick from next year with a bunch of other late rounders that he won't really need. That I would welcome in this draft, because we could add that extra impact player a year earlier into our system. I believe we need that kind of help right now. For example, adding a Pryor and Shazier, or a Nix and Mosley, etc while still maintaining control of our R2 and an R3 (comp). Or, as you say a trade up back into R2 could be a good option.

There are a handful of teams that will want more picks than the 5 or 6 they have in this draft.

Rarely do you see a pick and a player type of swap these days, but that could happen too.

I do believe Ted will be just fine holding firm with what he has though. You're right, 4 of the first 98 is not bad at all. Should be fun to see how he moves, if he does.
texaspackerbacker
10 years ago

Well, here is a good link to reference regarding all of Ted's draft day trades, both up and down. The effectiveness of one over the other is certainly debatable.

http://www.packers.com/history/draft-history.html 

Ted did well trading back in 2013, netting Lacy, Bakhtiari and Dorsey.

He did well in 2012 trading up for Hayward. Jury still out on trade up for Worthy.

He didn't fare so well trading back with DEN in 2011 getting DJ Williams and DJ Smith, as well as trading back with MIA netting Caleb Schlauderaff and Ryan Taylor.

Traded up with PHI in 2010 getting Morgan Burnett.

Traded up in 2009 with NE for Clay Matthews

Traded back in 2008 with NYJ landing Jordy Nelson. Also traded back with MIN getting Breno Giaccomini and Matt Flynn. Again traded back with STL to draft Brett Swain and with NO into 2009 to draft Jairus Wynn.

2007 traded back with NYJ for Brandon Jackson, Aaron Rouse and Korey Hall. Also traded back with PIT for Allen Barbre and Desmond Bishop

2006 traded back with NE and DEN landing Greg Jennings and Daryn Colledge and Jason Spitz. Back to PHI with Will Blackmon and Tyrone Culver. Back again with STL for Johnny Jolly

2006 back with CAR for Underwood and a pick that was traded back to PHI for Mike Hawkins and Curt Campbell. Again back with NE for Craig Bragg and Will Whitticker.


Pretty interesting when you look at the history of Ted's trades.

Originally Posted by: play2win 



More than interesting. It's overwhelmingly in favor of trading up. About the only clear cut successes of trading down are Jordy Nelson and Lacy, and you have to compare them to what teams got in the first round or higher second. That is the missing half of the puzzle - when those trades were made, what did the other side get?

I still say in the circumstance the Packers are in now - needing a little bit more QUALITY instead of a lot more QUANTITY, it is slam dunk obvious to trade up - or else just leave well enough alone if no there is no clear reason to trade.
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texaspackerbacker
10 years ago

Unless you are planning on Rodgers not playing for another 5 years, QB in the first is out of the question.

I wouldn't mind moving up for the right player, I also wouldn't mind trading the pick away and using the acquired picks to max out on 2nd and 3rd rounders. The team doesn't have room for high volume of picks, we need more quality instead.

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins 



I was ready to applaud this after reading the first paragraph. Then I read the second, which I don't much agree with.

True, we had great success by surprisingly getting Aaron Rodgers when he fell so far, but Favre was a lot older and seemingly nearer to the end at that time. Even then, there was an angst-filled situation 5 years later when the Packers had to decide whether to pay a lot for an unproven young guy and let the old guy go OR not pay the fairly big money for the unproven 5 year clipboard holder. I'd rather get a top quality Safety now than go through that situation again - and I expect Rodgers to be around and good enough for way more than 5 years.
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luigis
10 years ago
Rodgers will probably joke about his retirement from 2019 to 2024.

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play2win
10 years ago
Now it looks like Bridgewater is dropping because of a poor pro day without gloves. This guy was deemed by McShay as the most Pro-ready QB in this draft. If he is still there, I'm not going to be shocked if Ted takes him.

Figure in true BPA, with him being one of the best at the most important positions on a team, I could see it. Considering best talent and value with your pick. I would be pissed, a little, but I could see it.

OK. Maybe more than a little...!

I bring it up because we still have 3 fucking weeks before this baby gets off the ground and I'm bored out of my skull. Do you pass?

I do, because I want to win now.
DoddPower
10 years ago

Now it looks like Bridgewater is dropping because of a poor pro day without gloves. This guy was deemed by McShay as the most Pro-ready QB in this draft. If he is still there, I'm not going to be shocked if Ted takes him.

Figure in true BPA, with him being one of the best at the most important positions on a team, I could see it. Considering best talent and value with your pick. I would be pissed, a little, but I could see it.

OK. Maybe more than a little...!

I bring it up because we still have 3 fucking weeks before this baby gets off the ground and I'm bored out of my skull. Do you pass?

I do, because I want to win now.

Originally Posted by: play2win 



If you really think he's the BPA, you try like hell to convince a trade partner of that. Otherwise, I think a team like the Packers has to pass for something else. Although if a general manager did make a pick like that, and he ended up turning into the next Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers, it would be genius. The team could then trade their current starter or the young guy for a king's ransom. If that ransom was used well, it could help a team more than one really good player ever could for a long time. It would truly be a genius move, but I don't think Ted Thompson would have the balls for such a risk, and I don't blame him. It's just probably not worth it (unless it actually is). It would just be a HUGE risky investment, but sometimes those who risk big win big.
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If you really think he's the BPA, you try like hell to convince a trade partner of that. Otherwise, I think a team like the Packers has to pass for something else. Although if a general manager did make a pick like that, and he ended up turning into the next Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers, it would be genius. The team could then trade their current starter or the young guy for a king's ransom. If that ransom was used well, it could help a team more than one really good player ever could for a long time. It would truly be a genius move, but I don't think Ted Thompson would have the balls for such a risk, and I don't blame him. It's just probably not worth it (unless it actually is). It would just be a HUGE risky investment, but sometimes those who risk big win big.

Originally Posted by: DoddPower 



Not to be argumentative, who was a draft a trade that worked out well for the team that selected and traded the player? Elway was the last one I can think of that was a great player who got drafted and subsequently traded but that was because he pouted and would not play for the Colts. The Colts got a Pro Bowl OL out of it but not a HoFer.
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