Should Ted Make a Play for a QB/Trade Up or Down at 21?· Page 6

play2win
Senior Member Topic Starter

11 years ago

We'll, I like what DoddPower had to say and I feel pretty much the same. This is one of those instances where we could possibly witness a top player drop in our laps like Rodgers did, and I could see where the pick is made.

Mark Brunnell. Ty Detmer. Matt Hasselbeck. Aaron Brooks. While they are not first rounders, Wolf always took one because he knew the value of a QB, and Holmgren developed them into valuable trade assets.

I would rather get top defenders early in this draft. Would love to add 3 in the first two rounds. But, I'll understand, somewhat, if Ted drafts a top QB that falls into his lap. We say we don't need one, but sure as hell could have used one last season.

TheKanataThrilla
Veteran Member

11 years ago

#52

The problem with the back-up QB draft scenario as our team stands now is he does shit for us unless Rodgers gets hurt. Showing off the kid's talent only in the pre-season and mop-up duty will be hard to get other GMs to part ways with top draft picks. I would rather draft a Fales in that scenario as I can possibly see him compete and the risk is far less.

DoddPower
Veteran Member

11 years ago

#53

Originally Posted by: TheKanataThrilla

I totally agree. But just for the sake of argument, could you, as a general manager pass on a QB if you thought he could potentially be another Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, or maybe even Russell Wilson? It's obviously never that clear, but another elite QB like that would be a better pick than a Brian Bulaga, Derek Sherrod, Nick Perry, Justin Harrell, et al. The only way a general manager should pull the trigger when in a situation like the Packers is if they were CONVINCED the QB was going to be an elite player. If there's much uncertainly, then I think they gotta pass.

mi_keys
Senior Member

11 years ago

#54

Originally Posted by: DoddPower

If we were talking about an Andrew Luck falling to us, then yes, I'd take him. I don't think any of these guys coming out are on that level as a prospect. Bortles is raw and I have an inherent mistrust of the run first quarterbacks given their track record in the NFL (if we end up with enough on par with Russell Wilson or RGIII that stay healthy I might change my mind but to this point I don't think the hit percentage has been high enough).

When you're talking about some of the teams at the top of the draft who desperately need a quarterback not wanting to take these guys in the first round it gives me the impression that we're not really talking about bona fide top 10-15 prospects, in which case, I don't really see it as falling to us.

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play2win
Senior Member Topic Starter

11 years ago

#55

Those QB needy teams at the top 10-15 of this draft may be playing some high stakes poker this year if they pass on the QBs and select other positions first.

Wouldn't you love to know what Ted's plan is should a big name or two drops?

I'm still of the mindset that taking one of those guys is a luxury we might not be able to afford. Not at this time, with a healthy, capable Flynn behind Rodgers, and Tolzien, who they like, battling for the #2 QB... I want Ted to maximize GB's opportunities with Aaron Rodgers at the helm. Give him the defense this team needs to be a more complete team overall.

Unless he could work out a trade with one of the QB needy teams that would turn more in our favor.

TheKanataThrilla
Veteran Member

11 years ago

#56

Originally Posted by: DoddPower

I guess my concern is how would the other teams learn about his eliteness unless through a Rodgers injury? Hell most of us were not aware of how good Rodgers was. He played pretty good filling in for Brett against Dallas, but in fairness their Defense did not practice with the mindset of playing him and they had a pretty decent lead when Rodgers came in. The guys in the locker room were convinced that Rodgers had the ability to start, but when Brett left I think a great many of us were not convinced we wouldn't see a huge step down at the position. Luckily we were wrong and we actually stayed level and in many ways went up.

I like Fales as the back-up of the future that we could flip for picks. I think the NFL Network has helped his stock. I don't think he is going in the 6th round like all the Mocks people are doing recently.

DoddPower
Veteran Member

11 years ago

#57

Originally Posted by: TheKanataThrilla

I don't know, I can confidently say I was convinced Aaron Rodgers was going to be a very good QB by about his 3rd preseason, and definitely after the Dallas game. I was amazed how so many doubted him at that point. The guy was obviously a baller. I wasn't concerned at all and I'm glad he took over when he did. Of course, I do generally give Packer players the benefit of the doubt due to my bias as a fan, but still. There were plenty of signs there for Rodgers after a couple seasons, imo.

Wade
Veteran Member

11 years ago

#58

Personally, I don't like any of the quarterbacks likely to go in the first few rounds.

I might spend a 5th on Logan Thomas, or a 6th on Garrett Gilbert or Tahj Boyd. But that's about it.

As for trading up generally, I see total of 8 players worth considering:
1. To earlier than #15 (would cost minimum of next year's first rounder and a second-day pick): Clinton-Dix, Robinson, Mack, Watkins, Barr. IMO, all five will be gone by #10, but if they last to 11-15, maybe.
2. To #16-#21: Donald, Lewan, Z. Martin.

If no one offered a trade to later in the 1st or the first five picks of the second, my top 10 at #21 (after the above) would be:
1.Pryor,
2. Ebron,
3. Jernigan,
4. Lee,
5. Shazier,
6. Mosley,
7. Ealy,
8. Verrett,
9. Fuller
10. Cooks.

And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.
Romans 12:2 (NKJV)

nerdmann
Premier Member

11 years ago

#59

Bridgewater: My Pro Day was bad, but my game tape speaks volumes

But while Bridgewater knows his Pro Day left a lot to be desired, he believes coaches, scouts and general managers who watch his game tape will see that he throws the ball a lot better on the field than he did during that workout.

Get him in the 3rd, Ted.

“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”

wpr
Preferred Member

11 years ago

#60

Bridgewater: My Pro Day was bad, but my game tape speaks volumes

Get him in the 3rd, Ted.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann

Bridgewater still there at 85? snerk.

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