play2win
11 years ago
Word is spreading some of the QB needy teams are considering passing on the QB picks in R1. If Ted were to steal one, maybe it proves a huge windfall in trade with a team like CLE, who has 4 of the first 83 picks in this draft.

A few teams with quarterback needs have an interesting strategy. I’ve heard that at least four quarterback-needy teams—Houston (first pick), Jacksonville (3), Cleveland (4) and Oakland (5)—are strongly considering passing on quarterbacks with their first picks and waiting until their second or third selections. Simple reason: They’re not in love with any of the quarterbacks, and there are too many other good players who are surer things than a quarterback you have sincere doubts about. For that reason, there could be more quarterbacks taken in round two than round one. For instance, Jacksonville really likes Jimmy Garoppolo of Eastern Illinois, and he’d likely be there high in the second round when the Jags pick again, at 39.

One more thing: The great value in this draft will be from about 20 to 50. So guess what team is in great position to capitalize on the depth in rounds one and two? San Francisco, with the ability and the recent history of moving around so well. The rich-get-richer Niners hold the 30th, 56th, 61st, and 77th overall picks. If they want someone in the forties, they’ve got the currency to get him. The Browns are in good shape to do some damage too, with picks 26, 35, 71 and 83.

http://mmqb.si.com/2014/04/14/nfl-draft-jadeveon-clowney-monday-morning-qb/

hmmmm...
texaspackerbacker
11 years ago
yeah right ........ hahahaha.

It just ain't that hard to find a successful college QB nowadays, and a lot of them turn into decent NFL QBs that weren't even that good in college.
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warhawk
11 years ago
I think it's a gamble I would prefer not to take.

Teams that need a QB would know that we want to trade that pick and the leverage would be more in their favor than ours IMO.

You have to think of the fall back position or in other words the worst case scenario and that would be that no acceptable trade offer comes in. Would it be the best decision for the team if they ended up with a QB at #21. The answer is NOT.

If Ted finds a trade partner and wants to get more picks early that would be fine, or, it's very possible a really good player falls thru the cracks and is sitting there. Those two options are much better than getting tricky.

This is a very deep draft and we haven't drafted this low for awhile now. I can't see screwing around with that.
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nerdmann
11 years ago
Last year, and I can prove this, because I posted it on my blog,  I said: IF GENO SMITH FALLS, TAKE HIM!

What would that have looked like after Aaron went down? NERD=GENIUS.

Proof that I'm smarter than Ted Thompson!

I say, trust your scouts. If you have a QB as a clear BPA, take him.
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Mucky Tundra
11 years ago
Sorta seems like when there was talk of tagging Flynn and trying to trade him. The risk was getting stuck with his contract. Likewise, drafting a QB at #21 and trying to offload him seems risky. I doubt we'd get back what we paid for in terms of draft pick value since teams would know that we want to offload the drafted QB and would have all the high ground in talks.
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mi_keys
11 years ago

Last year, and I can prove this, because I posted it on my blog,  I said: IF GENO SMITH FALLS, TAKE HIM!

What would that have looked like after Aaron went down? NERD=GENIUS.

Proof that I'm smarter than Ted Thompson!

I say, trust your scouts. If you have a QB as a clear BPA, take him.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



Is this a joke?

Geno Smith had the single worst passer rating (66.5) of quarterbacks with enough passes to qualify (I believe minimum attempts is 100). Scott Tolzien at 66.8 and Seneca Wallace at 64.4 had comparable passer ratings.

If we'd taken him, with what he showed this past year, it would have looked incomprehensibly stupid. He needs to show significant improvement or he won't be long for this league.

On topic, I don't know that there is really a quarterback worth taking at 21 over some of the other players that are likely to be available. They all seem to have questions. There also seem to be some decent prospects that are projected to be available much later in the draft, so I would rather try to address the backup QB position on the second or third day of the draft.

And as others have stated, if the other teams aren't interested in picking the player, and know we don't want to be stuck with him, then we have little to no leverage in drafting him and trying to trade. I'd rather just directly trade back into the early second round if there is a run on defensive players and try to get a handful of picks in the second and third round and maximize this supposedly deep draft.
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nerdmann
11 years ago

Is this a joke?

Geno Smith had the single worst passer rating (66.5) of quarterbacks with enough passes to qualify (I believe minimum attempts is 100). Scott Tolzien at 66.8 and Seneca Wallace at 64.4 had comparable passer ratings.

If we'd taken him, with what he showed this past year, it would have looked incomprehensibly stupid. He needs to show significant improvement or he won't be long for this league.

On topic, I don't know that there is really a quarterback worth taking at 21 over some of the other players that are likely to be available. They all seem to have questions. There also seem to be some decent prospects that are projected to be available much later in the draft, so I would rather try to address the backup QB position on the second or third day of the draft.

And as others have stated, if the other teams aren't interested in picking the player, and know we don't want to be stuck with him, then we have little to no leverage in drafting him and trying to trade. I'd rather just directly trade back into the early second round if there is a run on defensive players and try to get a handful of picks in the second and third round and maximize this supposedly deep draft.

Originally Posted by: mi_keys 



He looked good at times, and let's face it. Mike would have had something to work with there. I'd take Mike and Aaron over the Ryan anyday.

Geno Smith>Seneca Wallace.

EDIT: And btw, the Packers would have given him ALOT more weapons to work with.
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buckeyepackfan
11 years ago
A team drafts a QB in the 1st rnd, that means they are looking to replace their current QB within a year or 2.

Too much quality talent at other positions to worry about whether this years qb's are the real deal or not.

Flynn and Tolzien are good enough for another year.

Cmon Ted get Flynn signed!!!!!!!

Then move onto draft day.
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texaspackerbacker
11 years ago
If Ted had the good sense to pick up Tolzien instead of Seneca Wallace - or just about anybody else off the scrap heap other than Seneca Wallace, the additional time to develop Tolzien or whoever would have meant we didn't even need Flynn last season.

No, Ted, do NOT sign Flynn. Not only would it be money wasted, but the team would be worse off with Flynn if, heaven forbid, we needed to play a backup again, than we would with a well-trained Tolzien.
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play2win
11 years ago
Let's put it this way.

• The Texans pick 1st, and they need a QB, but will probably take Clowney.

• The Jags pick 3rd, and they have Chad Henne at QB. They need one, but may decide to go with Mack at OLB.

• The Browns pick 4th, need a QB, but word is they are going to jump on WR Sammy Watkins out of Clemson here.

• The Vikings pick 8th, and they need a QB pronto. Probably do here, and they probably tag Bortles.

• That will leave Manziel and/or Bridgewater. Both HOU and JAX may want to jump CLE with their 2nd R1 at #24 to nab one of these guys. Meanwhile, GB sits ahead of CLE at #21.

It is possible our #21 could come into play here. HOU holds the 1st pick in every round. Maybe they make it worth Ted's while to trade out of R1 by packaging #33 and #65.

Would you take an R2 and R3, tops of both rounds for #21? I might.

JAX could offer #39, 70 and 105. This deal would mean 7 picks for us through the first 4 rounds. Not bad.

Would you just draft Manziel if he's there and see what happens? I might. That could become a super valuable bargaining chip.
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