How can the Green Bay Packers make Aaron Rodgers an even better quarterback?· Page 4

DoddPower
Veteran Member

11 years ago

When the QB leaves the pocket the WRs don't just run farther downfield, they work back toward the ball and just try to get open. Not to mention I've yet to see anything that convinces me that Rodgers passes up check downs significantly more than anybody else like you keep saying.

Originally Posted by: steveishere

As we all know, Nerd is another one of those posters that doesn't use or need facts or true evidence. He paints his own pictures based on a few examples that aren't representative of reality. They're not trends, they're not tendencies, they are largely outliers. The situation and context also matters. Who cares if he passes up a John Kuhn on a short pass on 3rd and long that has almost no chance for a first down in hopes of getting the ball to someone that can actually get the first down. That would be too much like stat-padding ("stat-whoring" as Nerd so intelligently states it) his completion percentage. Many of those times, he actually converts a very difficult 3rd and long due to the same reasons he takes some sacks. As far as I'm concerned, there's little difference between holding the ball a little too long in hopes of getting a first down and taking a sack, and dumping the ball off short with almost no chance of getting a 1st down. It's likely the result is still a punt. I suppose it would be better on his body, but Aaron Rodgers is concerned about getting a first down, and ultimately, winning.

If it wasn't for Rodgers doing what he has done for years now, the Packers offense wouldn't have been anything like what it has been. Most the things that some knock him for are what makes him so good.

nerdmann
Premier Member

11 years ago

#32

Originally Posted by: steveishere

When the play breaks down, they do that, yes.

That's not happening yet when a guy is open on a slant. At that moment, the deep option isn't quite deep enough yet. But even though he's open, he's not gonna get the ball.

If it was just a matter of not dumping it off to Kuhn on third and long, who cares.

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El3ment12
Registered

11 years ago

#33

I find it hard to criticize Rodgers for holding the ball too long. Based on the way the defense has been playing (due to injuries and other factors) Rodgers hasn't been able to just throw the ball away and hope the defense holds. He needs to make a play. Rodgers is the most efficient passer EVER, and nobody even comes close to him. I actually thought Rodgers didn't have to do as much holding onto the ball this past season because Lacy gave him a running game. Of course, he got hurt right when Lacy was really starting to shine.

steveishere
Veteran Member

11 years ago

#34

When the play breaks down, they do that, yes.

That's not happening yet when a guy is open on a slant. At that moment, the deep option isn't quite deep enough yet. But even though he's open, he's not gonna get the ball.

If it was just a matter of not dumping it off to Kuhn on third and long, who cares.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann

That's BS though, Rodgers throws the quick slant/comeback/0-10 yard passes at a similar or higher rate as anybody else. Plus he doesn't lock onto people he spreads the ball around. If a guy is open on any route that's the guy he usually goes to. You really just sound like you are making stuff up.

nerdmann
Premier Member

11 years ago

#35

Originally Posted by: El3ment12

So your argument against the idea that he is stat whoring is, that he has the BEST STATS EVER?

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nerdmann
Premier Member

11 years ago

#36

Originally Posted by: steveishere

I'm just making judgements based upon what I see by watching the games.

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texaspackerbacker
Veteran Member

11 years ago

#37

Originally Posted by: nerdmann

Slants are bread and butter for the Packers. I really don't recall Rodgers passing them up. Ditto that for other quick designed routes - unless, of course, the receiver is covered.

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nerdmann
Premier Member

11 years ago

#38

Slants are bread and butter for the Packers. I really don't recall Rodgers passing them up. Ditto that for other quick designed routes - unless, of course, the receiver is covered.

Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker

Hahaha, now you've got TEXAS on your side. LOL

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El3ment12
Registered

11 years ago

#39

So your argument against the idea that he is stat whoring is, that he has the BEST STATS EVER?

Originally Posted by: nerdmann

I didn't read your posts that said he was "stat whoring, so I wasn't directly responding to you. I don't like the term at all, because it implies Rodgers is purposefully putting the team in a bad situation because he wants to have great stats. Like others have said, I think he throws those quick routes quite often. Sometimes defenses are really good at defending those short routes. Does he hold onto the ball too long at times? Probably, but the man isn't perfect. His great stats are a result of him being extremely good. When we had a defense and a decent o-line, we won the Superbowl. Teams can't stop Aaron Rodgers, and they know it.

Mucky Tundra
Honored Member

11 years ago

#40

How can the Green Bay Packers make Aaron Rodgers an even better quarterback?

That's a tough question. I mean, blueleopard tried answering over the course of the day and couldn't come up with anything! [grin1]

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