warhawk
11 years ago
I can't see McCarthy moving guys all over on the Oline. Ideally, they sign EDS and then:

See if Bahkitari makes that 2nd year leap and holds his job or if Bulaga earns it back. If not put Bulaga over at RT. That would actually be the ideal scenario if it panned out like that. Very little change (helps overall line play). Improved play at both tackle positions (helps overall line play too).

The wild card would be Sherrod with the talent he has that he has not been able to show to this point but that's certainly not a bad thing.

Again, I can't see them screwing around with the Oline. Arod went down for half the year and it was a disaster so IMO the last thing they will do is move people all over the place.

And precisely why the will sign EDS. They know he can play and he happens to squat right in front of the guy that nobody can ever say again this team can win consistently without.

"The train is leaving the station."
DakotaT
11 years ago
I'd don't think resigning EDS is a bad idea, and just going with the boys we currently have on the roster. We have three decent tackles, and I have my fingers crossed that Sherrod makes it all the way back and earns the LT position, but I'm good with Bacteria too. It's a dream to have a line like the Sherminator gave us, but I'd rather go heavy on defense this off season, cause that side of the ball needs the attention.
UserPostedImage
Wade
  • Wade
  • Veteran Member
11 years ago
(shaking head)

I actually like EDS. I don't think he's the weakest link of the OL.

I think he's really good ... for a backup position.

I know I'm beating a dead horse, but debating between players who have demonstrated, at most, that they qualify as "serviceable" and those who might have "potential" for more, is a recipe for disaster.

The goal should not be to have an adequate OL. It should never be to have an adequate line. It should never be to have a serviceable OL. The goal should be to have a dominant line. A great line.

A great line makes an offense unstoppable. A serviceable line threatens the health of the Hall of Fame quarterback that is essential to that unstoppable offense.

Yes, the defense is a bigger train wreck. So it has to be a bigger priority overall. But however much of that train wreck can be cleaned up in one off season, it doesn't matter if Rodgers gets hurt. And, ISTM, if you approach the OL as "we're ok with serviceable and waiting for Tretter or Bahktiari or some pre-March "free agent servicable guys" to improve it, you're just risking #12 again.

The Packers were lucky that the injury last year was a collarbone. What if the next one is to the throwing shoulder or elbow? Or a concussion? Or a major knee injury?

Quarterbacks get injured. It's a reality of the game. But IMO you ought to be doing everything you can to ensure that they face as few hits as possible. And if you are continually content with combinations of "serviceable" and "potential for growth" and "late round picks", IMO you aren't doing everything you can.

IMO the Packers aren't going to be bona fide championship contender until they fix the defense. But they are also just one missed block away from having the same issues at quarterback as every other team in the NFC North.
And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.
Romans 12:2 (NKJV)
texaspackerbacker
11 years ago
We were marginally decent in the interior last year, and horrible at OT. Ideally, as was said, Sherrod can play like a first rounder and Bulaga can play like he did several years ago. That would take care of things, but it is way short of a sure thing. I have no confidence in Bakhtiari, and Barclay is back up quality at best.

As for Center, like somebody said, if EDS signs, he will start. I think they are letting him shop around, and if nobody offers him what he wants, the Packers will sign him for less. That seems to say they think highly of Tretter.

As for the original topic, probably it's just sour grapes/excuses from the Van Roten people, but there is a chance the Packers did tell him that, and they don't care if EDS does leave. I'd hate to see that, because he did do a serviceable job, and Tretter is a unproven.

The bottom line, though, is that with Aaron Rodgers, Eddie Lacy, and our wideouts, we simply don't need all that great an O Line to have one of the best offenses in the NFL. Sure, I'd like it to get better, but the fact is, we don't absolutely need it.
Expressing the Good Normal Views of Good Normal Americans.
If Anything I Say Smacks of Extremism, Please Tell Me EXACTLY What.
buckeyepackfan
11 years ago

(shaking head)

I actually like EDS. I don't think he's the weakest link of the OL.

I think he's really good ... for a backup position.

I know I'm beating a dead horse, but debating between players who have demonstrated, at most, that they qualify as "serviceable" and those who might have "potential" for more, is a recipe for disaster.

The goal should not be to have an adequate OL. It should never be to have an adequate line. It should never be to have a serviceable OL. The goal should be to have a dominant line. A great line.

A great line makes an offense unstoppable. A serviceable line threatens the health of the Hall of Fame quarterback that is essential to that unstoppable offense.

Yes, the defense is a bigger train wreck. So it has to be a bigger priority overall. But however much of that train wreck can be cleaned up in one off season, it doesn't matter if Rodgers gets hurt. And, ISTM, if you approach the OL as "we're ok with serviceable and waiting for Tretter or Bahktiari or some pre-March "free agent servicable guys" to improve it, you're just risking #12 again.

The Packers were lucky that the injury last year was a collarbone. What if the next one is to the throwing shoulder or elbow? Or a concussion? Or a major knee injury?

Quarterbacks get injured. It's a reality of the game. But IMO you ought to be doing everything you can to ensure that they face as few hits as possible. And if you are continually content with combinations of "serviceable" and "potential for growth" and "late round picks", IMO you aren't doing everything you can.

IMO the Packers aren't going to be bona fide championship contender until they fix the defense. But they are also just one missed block away from having the same issues at quarterback as every other team in the NFC North.

Originally Posted by: Wade 



Then what is the answer?
The Packers have committed to the players on the roster, everyone of the O-line I mentioned are under contract except EDS.
Is there a better option available via Free Agency?
and if there is, can The Packers afford to sign that option without blowing up the salary cap?
I was addicted to The Hokey Pokey, but I turned myself around!
Wade
  • Wade
  • Veteran Member
11 years ago

Then what is the answer?
The Packers have committed to the players on the roster, everyone of the O-line I mentioned are under contract except EDS.
Is there a better option available via Free Agency?
and if there is, can The Packers afford to sign that option without blowing up the salary cap?

Originally Posted by: buckeyepackfan 



That, sir, is exactly my point. The Packers commitment has been to "serviceable" and "development of potential" for years. There is, alas, no route to OL dominance that isn't going to take 2-3 years or multiple major free agent acquisitions.

Exactly like it has been for a nine years. I don't expect Ted Thompson to be able to make a dominant OL in 1 year. But he's had 9. And you apologists are making exactly the same arguments they were making in his first year.

Nine years of one home run (Sitton) and "serviceable" and "potential" ls not a commitment to greatness. It is being content with average.

I am *not* calling for TT's head. That's silly. But, IMO, he does need to do something, something major with the way the team decides on its OL roster. Maybe its more free agency, maybe its shaking up the personnel department and getting better scouts of OL players, maybe its telling McCarthy he needs to replace Campen and find someone who can develop that annual potential into dominance. Maybe it's some combination of all three.

I don't know.

I just don't think that anyone should be content with the approach that has been used for the OL for the last 9 years.

"Serviceable" is for also-rans. Nine years of "potential" that has developed into something between "mediocre" and "serviceable" is being content with woulda-coulda-shoulda.

More is expected.
And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.
Romans 12:2 (NKJV)
Zero2Cool
11 years ago
Daryn Colledge was the other home run and the dipstick Thompson let him go to the Cardinals where he's been stellar. Imagine if the Packer still had both Sitton and College manning the G position? My lord!

LT- Sherrod
LG - Colledge
C - Fred Flinstone
RG - Sitton
RT - Bulaga


And then you have that #69 David B. as top T backup. Not friggin bad at all.


BTW, Packers can't get too big at Center because Rodgers prefers a certain butt height. n0j0ke
UserPostedImage
Wade
  • Wade
  • Veteran Member
11 years ago
Yes, yes, Mrs. Colledge, we know how you feel about your main squeeze. [grin1]

By the way, I just looked up some past drafts. Even Bart Starr (who everyone, including him, agrees was over his head as GM) had more players (one) play up to their "potential" after being drafted than Ted Thompson in less than half the time.

Greg Koch wasn't a Hall of Famer, but compared to what Bulaga, Colledge, Bahktiari, et al have shown, he was a stud OT for years.

Again, if you are content for almost a decade with the Colledges (even the St. Louis version, rofl), Bulagas (as shown so far), Langs, and Bahktiari (as shown so far), then you are insufficiently committed to your quarterback's health. IMO.

Overall, Starr was abysmal as GM and Ted Thompson has been very good. Starr needed to be fired, and Ted Thompson does not. But in this one area, assessment of and acquisition and development of OL talent, I'm not sure Ted Thompson is any better than Starr was. If he is, the difference is measurable in millimeters.




And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.
Romans 12:2 (NKJV)
GermanGilbert
11 years ago

Daryn Colledge was the other home run and the dipstick Thompson let him go to the Cardinals where he's been stellar. Imagine if the Packer still had both Sitton and College manning the G position? My lord!

LT- Sherrod
LG - Colledge
C - Fred Flinstone
RG - Sitton
RT - Bulaga

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



Don't forget that former Packers OT who just earned his SB ring a few days ago 😉
blank
steveishere
11 years ago


Nine years of one home run (Sitton) and "serviceable" and "potential" ls not a commitment to greatness. It is being content with average.

.

Originally Posted by: Wade 



The problem is you call players like Lang and EDS "serviceable" or "back up quality" when they are clearly better than that. Nobody has an o-line filled with Sitton quality players and that's just ridiculous if that's your standard. I'd say there are few if any teams that even have all Lang quality players.
Fan Shout
Mucky Tundra (6-Jul) : And James Flanigan is the grandson of Packers Super Bowl winner Jim Flanigan Sr.
Mucky Tundra (6-Jul) : Jerome Bettis and Jim Flanigans sons as well!
Zero2Cool (6-Jul) : Thomas Davis Jr is OLB, not WR. Oops.
Zero2Cool (6-Jul) : Larry Fitzgeral and Thomas Davis sons too. WR's as well.
Mucky Tundra (5-Jul) : Kaydon Finley, son of Jermichael Finley, commits to Notre Dame
dfosterf (3-Jul) : Make sure to send my props to him! A plus move!
Zero2Cool (3-Jul) : My cousin, yes.
dfosterf (3-Jul) : That was your brother the GB press gazette referenced with the red cross draft props thing, yes?
Zero2Cool (2-Jul) : Packers gonna unveil new throwback helmet in few weeks.
Mucky Tundra (2-Jul) : I know it's Kleiman but this stuff writes itself
Mucky Tundra (2-Jul) : "Make sure she signs the NDA before asking for a Happy Ending!"
Mucky Tundra (2-Jul) : @NFL_DovKleiman Powerful: Deshaun Watson is taking Shedeur Sanders 'under his wing' as a mentor to the Browns QBs
Zero2Cool (30-Jun) : Dolphins get (back) Minkah Fitzpatrick in trade
Zero2Cool (30-Jun) : Steelers land Jalen Ramsey via Trade
dfosterf (26-Jun) : I think it would be great to have someone like Tom Grossi or Andy Herman on the Board of Directors so he/they could inform us
dfosterf (26-Jun) : Fair enough, WPR. Thing is, I have been a long time advocate to at least have some inkling of the dynamics within the board.
wpr (26-Jun) : 1st world owners/stockholders problems dfosterf.
Martha Careful (25-Jun) : I would have otherwise admirably served
dfosterf (25-Jun) : Also, no more provision for a write-in candidate, so Martha is off the table at least for this year
dfosterf (25-Jun) : You do have to interpret the boring fine print, but all stockholders all see he is on the ballot
dfosterf (25-Jun) : It also says he is subject to another ballot in 2028. I recall nothing of this nature with Murphy
dfosterf (25-Jun) : Ed Policy is on my ballot subject to me penciling him in as a no.
dfosterf (25-Jun) : I thought it used to be we voted for the whatever they called the 45, and then they voted for the seven, and then they voted for Mark Murphy
dfosterf (25-Jun) : Because I was too lazy to change my address, I haven't voted fot years until this year
dfosterf (25-Jun) : of the folks that run this team. I do not recall Mark Murphy being subject to our vote.
dfosterf (25-Jun) : Ed Policy yay or nay is on the pre-approved ballot that we always approve because we are uninformed and lazy, along with all the rest
dfosterf (25-Jun) : Weird question. Very esoteric. For stockholders. Also lengthy. Sorry. Offseason.
Zero2Cool (25-Jun) : Maybe wicked wind chill made it worse?
Mucky Tundra (25-Jun) : And then he signs with Cleveland in the offseason
Mucky Tundra (25-Jun) : @SharpFootball WR Diontae Johnson just admitted he refused to enter a game in 41° weather last year in Baltimore because he felt “ice cold”
Zero2Cool (24-Jun) : Yawn. Rodgers says he is "pretty sure" this be final season.
Zero2Cool (23-Jun) : PFT claims Packers are having extension talks with Zach Tom, Quay Walker.
Mucky Tundra (20-Jun) : GB-Minnesota 2004 Wild Card game popped up on my YouTube page....UGH
beast (20-Jun) : Hmm 🤔 re-signing Walker before Tom? Sounds highly questionable to me.
Mucky Tundra (19-Jun) : One person on Twitter=cannon law
Zero2Cool (19-Jun) : Well, to ONE person on Tweeter
Zero2Cool (19-Jun) : According to Tweeter
Zero2Cool (19-Jun) : Packers are working on extension for LT Walker they hope to have done before camp
dfosterf (18-Jun) : E4B landed at Andrews last night
dfosterf (18-Jun) : 101 in a 60
dfosterf (18-Jun) : FAFO
Zero2Cool (18-Jun) : one year $4m with incentives to make it up to $6m
dfosterf (18-Jun) : Or Lions
dfosterf (18-Jun) : Beats the hell out of a Vikings signing
Zero2Cool (18-Jun) : Baltimore Ravens now have signed former Packers CB Jaire Alexander.
dfosterf (14-Jun) : TWO magnificent strikes for touchdowns. Lose the pennstate semigeezer non nfl backup
dfosterf (14-Jun) : There was minicamp Thursday. My man Taylor Engersma threw
dfosterf (11-Jun) : There will be a mini camp practice Thursday.
Zero2Cool (11-Jun) : He's been sporting a ring for a while now. It's probably Madonna.
Martha Careful (10-Jun) : We only do the tea before whoopee, it relaxes me.
Please sign in to use Fan Shout
2025 Packers Schedule
Sunday, Sep 7 @ 3:25 PM
LIONS
Thursday, Sep 11 @ 7:15 PM
COMMANDERS
Sunday, Sep 21 @ 12:00 PM
Browns
Sunday, Sep 28 @ 7:20 PM
Cowboys
Sunday, Oct 12 @ 3:25 PM
BENGALS
Sunday, Oct 19 @ 3:25 PM
Cardinals
Sunday, Oct 26 @ 7:20 PM
Steelers
Sunday, Nov 2 @ 12:00 PM
PANTHERS
Monday, Nov 10 @ 7:15 PM
EAGLES
Sunday, Nov 16 @ 12:00 PM
Giants
Sunday, Nov 23 @ 12:00 PM
VIKINGS
Thursday, Nov 27 @ 12:00 PM
Lions
Sunday, Dec 7 @ 12:00 PM
BEARS
Sunday, Dec 14 @ 3:25 PM
Broncos
Friday, Dec 19 @ 11:00 PM
Bears
Friday, Dec 26 @ 11:00 PM
RAVENS
Saturday, Jan 3 @ 11:00 PM
Vikings
Recent Topics
6-Jul / Random Babble / Martha Careful

4-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr

2-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / dfosterf

2-Jul / Fantasy Sports Talk / dfosterf

1-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr

29-Jun / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

25-Jun / Around The NFL / Martha Careful

23-Jun / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

20-Jun / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr

20-Jun / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

20-Jun / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

18-Jun / Random Babble / Zero2Cool

16-Jun / Green Bay Packers Talk / dfosterf

15-Jun / Random Babble / Martha Careful

14-Jun / Around The NFL / beast

Headlines
Copyright © 2006 - 2025 PackersHome.com™. All Rights Reserved.