11 years ago

Was it luck that brought Lacy to us at pick #61? I kind of think so. That was a fantastic pick and a great turn for our team. We needed a legit power RB, a feature RB. But, Lacy literally fell into our laps, much like Rodgers did in 2005.

I'm not saying we should be blowing huge sums of money on anybody. I'm merely stating that there is a balance that should exist on any team in adding both young talent via the draft, and experienced, effective veteran talent via FA and trades. Personally, I think we've thrown ourselves off balance by sticking to D&D as our sole means of talent acquisition. And, it clearly shows.

Originally Posted by: play2win 



Never understood the whole getting lucky that a player fell into a team's lap argument. You still have to pull the trigger. Not to mention you see all these teams passing on the player it would be hard not to second guess yourself.
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11 years ago
The combination of having the best qb in the league and being far under the salary cap is a big advantage.
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11 years ago

Never understood the whole getting lucky that a player fell into a team's lap argument. You still have to pull the trigger. Not to mention you see all these teams passing on the player it would be hard not to second guess yourself.

Originally Posted by: cheeseheads123 




22 of Seahawks 53 are un drafted.

It's all about scouting and coaching.



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buckeyepackfan
11 years ago

Never understood the whole getting lucky that a player fell into a team's lap argument. You still have to pull the trigger. Not to mention you see all these teams passing on the player it would be hard not to second guess yourself.

Originally Posted by: cheeseheads123 



Agree, it amazes me how John Schneider and that idiot coach up there are being deemed geniuses because they drafted players like Wilson and Sherman among others in the later rnds, yet when Ted grabs Lacy in the 2nd rnd it was just luck.

See Zero's earlier post, up until the last line it makes a lot of sense. 😆

I didn't read the whole article, but I am pretty sure the teams That The Packers are being lumped with do not have 16 fa's and a couple of rfa's that either need to be resigned or let go.

The Packers may look to have a lot of money available, but a good portion is going to go toward resigning their own.

Keep an eye on what happens with Tramon Williams, until he is released, extended, or is allowed to play out his contract, that will determine whether Ted may be going to jump into the FA market.

The Packers need that 6-7 mil that could be freed up by extending(preferred) or releasing Tramon to be able to look at who is available in FA, or to sign Sam Shields(preferred).




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play2win
11 years ago
So, there was no luck at all with Ted Thompson drafting Eddie Lacy at #61 in R2 in 2013? Really? A feature RB was one of our very top team needs going into the offseason. But, having Lacy fall to us at 61 wasn't luck… OK.

Rodgers dropping to #24 in 2005 wasn't luck either, with Favre expressing his wish to retire soon. Nope.
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11 years ago
I believe that the draft and develop is the correct way to run an NFL organization, if willing to spend when the time is right. The question being is the time right, or has it been right. This year might be our best window to push all in for the SB. We have pretty limited areas of need to fill, and there is no telling if the players available will match our needs.

Drafting BPA and developing them is a great way to build a team, but eventually, unless extremely lucky, you will end up needing a position that isn't available to be filled by drafting. Is there a Starting FS to draft this year, I don't see one. There are some that have the potential, but not a day one player. So if we depend on the draft, it will still be 2 or 3 years to fill that hole. Can we wait? What players are going to leave and need to be replaced by that time? We are seeming to be treading water, rather than getting closer to the goal.

We are going to have Jordy, Sitton, Cobb and others coming due on contracts. Are we going to be able, and are we going to want to keep them given age, and salaries they will demand.

I think if we really believe in the draft and develop strategy, we should have the confidence that we can make some FA moves now, and even though it will cost us some of our veteran players the next couple years, we should be able to replace those players lost through draft and development.

If we don't do it this year or next, we are going to be approaching the window for Lacy to get paid? and to the end of Rodgers and Clays contracts? Will we be able to afford to do it later.


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11 years ago

So, there was no luck at all with Ted Thompson drafting Eddie Lacy at #61 in R2 in 2013? Really? A feature RB was one of our very top team needs going into the offseason. But, having Lacy fall to us at 61 wasn't luck… OK.

Rodgers dropping to #24 in 2005 wasn't luck either, with Favre expressing his wish to retire soon. Nope.

Originally Posted by: play2win 



One could make the argument that there is 'luck' involved with every draft pick other than the #1.

The Packers were needing a QB in '05. That doesn't mean there wasn't luck involved with Rodgers falling down the board. 2 separate events. Was it good luck that Nelson was available in the 3rd? Was it good luck that Shields was undrafted and chose to come to GB? Was it bad luck that Sherrod was available at #32 in 2011?

Or a person can accept that sometimes things work just like planned and sometimes they don't.
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11 years ago

The combination of having the best qb in the league and being far under the salary cap is a big advantage.

Originally Posted by: cheeseheads123 



Only if you make use of that big advantage


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texaspackerbacker
11 years ago

One could make the argument that there is 'luck' involved with every draft pick other than the #1.

The Packers were needing a QB in '05. That doesn't mean there wasn't luck involved with Rodgers falling down the board. 2 separate events. Was it good luck that Nelson was available in the 3rd? Was it good luck that Shields was undrafted and chose to come to GB? Was it bad luck that Sherrod was available at #32 in 2011?

Or a person can accept that sometimes things work just like planned and sometimes they don't.

Originally Posted by: QCHuskerFan 



Exactly. There is a degree of luck involved in using free agency also, but less so than in the draft. The examples you give are good, as are the Seattle examples - Wilson and Sherman. If there is a difference, however, it is that Wilson and Sherman were more "longshots" than Rodgers and Lacy. The LUCK is that against all odds, those guys fell to us. unlike most of the others mentioned who went pretty much where they were expected to go, but just blossomed into star players.

Nobody is saying it's all luck with Thompson; Nobody is saying draft and develop is bad; All I and some others are saying is that Thompson goes to too much of an extreme in that direction. It's just that as somebody said early in the thread, there's no prize for sticking too far below the cap.


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11 years ago

This is a BS comment. First, he isn't Uncle Teddy. Secondly Ted Thompson is not afraid to get quality free agents. Thompson merely refuses to OVERSPEND for ANY free agent. There is a massively vast difference there. I think Thompson goes on vacation the first week of free agency just to avoid temptation. That is speculative of course.

The player has to fit the Packers scheme.
The player has to be willing to play for the Packers.

This isn't just a Ted Thompson thing. There are many moving pieces and to blindly say Thompson, err Teddy is afraid to get quality free agents is just obtuse.

One of the things many fans love about the Packers is the blue collar aspect. The small town aspect. The historical aspect. Even the cold aspect. Well, most of those things work AGAINST the Packers in landing free agents. Not to mention the Packers do not have a deep pocketed owner who can afford to spend $100 million on someone like Albert Haynesworth and have it be a complete bust. If the Packers did this, it would set them back nearly five years if not more!


Again, what free agents were available that the Packers should have signed for their contract? No one ever has a legit answer to this, yet we all run around saying "sign free agents".

Shit on that! Learn to coach up the damn players drafted. Do your damn 'draft and develop' gooder, especially the friggin develop part! How long we gonna wait for many of these guys to finally develop?


btw, please sign Jarius Byrd and Brian Orakpo, k thanks Auntie Theodore.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



Easy there Pardner. It was a BS comment but you don't have to rant on so. I was initially over the top just to start the thread out. I doubt anyone with any sense at all Thinks Ted is scared. That would be stupid.


The player has to fit the Packers scheme.
The player has to be willing to play for the Packers.

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Wouldn't this comment be the same for every team in every professional sport worldwide? Perhaps some GMs don't follow suit as close as they should but every team needs players who "fit in their scheme", whatever their scheme may be. And I don't know of any player anywhere who doesn't play for what the team is willing to pay. The 2 sides may have compromised at some point but if the team isn't willing to pay, the player won't suit up for them. [neener]
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