play2win
10 years ago

Personally.. 2011 and 2012 were the two drafts in which we targeted needs over BPA.. could it be related that those are two of the softest drafts we have had under Ted?

Originally Posted by: Pack93z 



Seems so Pack93z. I think this is where Ted Thompson fails a bit as a GM. He completely ignores top talent in Free Agency. Signing your own players just because they are your own, while ignoring better talents who have proven themselves worthy of top contracts with their play on other teams puts your team in a kind of limbo. Not really getting better, but, maintaining more of a status quo. If you are continually getting bounced out of the playoffs early, how is this making your team better, keeping those same players around?

Meanwhile, he is counting on rookies he drafts to make an impact, with a DC who does not really prefer to play rookies. Wow. How is that supposed to be successful? I mean, I can understand Dom Capers' reluctance to play rookies a lot, as their bodies are simply just not developed enough as rookies to play the pro game at some positions. It seems the philosophies are not meshing here.

If Ted were more open in his use of FA, more targeted and discerning, and used the draft just for adding the best players he can find regardless of position, we might be a better team, and have more success. Fill positions of need with FA, draft to deepen your roster throughout. I wish he would do this more.

His style of player procurement has given us a roster that is yearly one of the youngest, most inexperienced in the NFL. Again, how is that system supposed to be successful?
musccy
10 years ago

He completely ignores top talent in Free Agency. Signing your own players just because they are your own, while ignoring better talents who have proven themselves worthy of top contracts with their play on other teams puts your team in a kind of limbo.

Originally Posted by: play2win 



I don't necessarily have an issue with him ignoring top talent. Percy Harvin, Sydney Rice, Haynesworth, Matt Flynn, Kevin Kolb, etc. are all big names acquired through FA or trade and they certainly didn't/haven't worked out for their respective teams.

I also think Ted has proven he can be selective with his own. Woodson, Driver, Jennings, and Burt Farve are just a few examples of players he in one way or another moved on from earlier than they wanted to.

With that said, I agree with WPR that stockpiling 6th round projects isn't a stable way to go either.

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10 years ago
P2W, you are a blasphemer. You should be grateful that the team has Aaron Rodgers and they are going to finish above .500 because of him. That is all you should ask for. How can you possibly demand or expect to win a playoff game? That is showing that you are not a true Packer fan.
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10 years ago

P2W, you are a blasphemer. You should be grateful that the team has Aaron Rodgers and they are going to finish above .500 because of him. That is all you should ask for. How can you possibly demand or expect to win a playoff game? That is showing that you are not a true Packer fan.

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10 years ago

I don't necessarily have an issue with him ignoring top talent. Percy Harvin, Sydney Rice, Haynesworth, Matt Flynn, Kevin Kolb, etc. are all big names acquired through FA or trade and they certainly didn't/haven't worked out for their respective teams.

I also think Ted has proven he can be selective with his own. Woodson, Driver, Jennings, and Burt Farve are just a few examples of players he in one way or another moved on from earlier than they wanted to.

With that said, I agree with WPR that stockpiling 6th round projects isn't a stable way to go either.

Originally Posted by: musccy 



There certainly are FA who are not worth their contracts. There are also counterfeit $100 bills out there. That doesn't mean I won't take a $100 because it might be a bad one.

Uncle Teddy can do his due diligence and acquire quality FAs at a reasonable cost. He just won't do it unless he is backed into a corner and has no other options. Or he waits until everything is picked over like a going out of business sale and all the is left are remnants.
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play2win
10 years ago

I don't necessarily have an issue with him ignoring top talent. Percy Harvin, Sydney Rice, Haynesworth, Matt Flynn, Kevin Kolb, etc. are all big names acquired through FA or trade and they certainly didn't/haven't worked out for their respective teams.

I also think Ted has proven he can be selective with his own. Woodson, Driver, Jennings, and Burt Farve are just a few examples of players he in one way or another moved on from earlier than they wanted to.

With that said, I agree with WPR that stockpiling 6th round projects isn't a stable way to go either.

Originally Posted by: musccy 



I'm not saying Ted should go hog wild in FA. And, I know he has been selective, and has made some great choices with some great players. Jordy Nelson and James Jones come to mind. On the other end of the spectrum are AJ Hawk and Brad Jones, without beating the dead horse of Hawk's improved play in 2013…

I recall Eugene Robinson and Andre Rison working out well for Thompson's mentor back in the day. Woodson and Pickett worked out well for he, himself. It is WAY past time for Ted Thompson to add some top talent at some very real positions of need, through FA signings or trades. It must be done, and done well.
Laser Gunns
10 years ago
1 32 Derek Sherrod F+
Has not played any meaningful snaps, and has not even been available as a backup. He gets the + because it was injury related not pure suck (hopefully)

2 64 Randall Cobb WR A-

3 96 Alex Green RB F

4 131 Davon House DB D+
At least he has had some passes defended.

5 141 D.J. Williams TE F

6 179 Caleb Schlauderaff OL F

6 186 D.J. Smith LB C-
He did step in as a reserve a little bit, didn't look much worse than what we had.

6 197 Ricky Elmore DL F

7 218 Ryan Taylor TE D-
Never really see him making plays on STs, I think he's had about as many penalty as catches.

7 233 Lawrence Guy DT F

3 years later there is no "incomplete" grade. Sherrod is like a senior who skipped all his classes up to this point and trying to make it up in his final year.

Terrible terrible draft.

Kinda wish we'd ditched Ted and promoted Jon [puke]

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nerdmann
10 years ago


Davon House is garbage and fans need to realize just because he suits up in 31 and has dreads ... he is NOT Al Harris. Let it go.

Derek Sherrod ... the clock is ticking. Produce in 2014 or be cut (or not extended depending on contract length)

Ryan Taylor is a C- special teams player.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



House wasn't a first round pick. What do you want from Ted, first round talent all the way through the draft? House is great as a rotational depth player. He's held up well in that capacity, imo. Taylor is too. He was taken late in the draft. He's not a first rounder.

As for Sherrod, any player can go down at any time. We saw that this year with our QB.
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nerdmann
10 years ago

Shields, Barclay, Zombo and van Roten were not draft picks.

Originally Posted by: wpr 



My point exactly.



Shields is the only one I would venture to call a "gem". The rest are just back ups. Someone who needs to be on the bottom of the depth chart. Zombo was so good GB kept him on here even though they needed OLB help.

As for taking flyers in the later rounds of the draft. I have no problem with that. I don't want 5 or 6 flyers. 2 or 3 is more than enough.

Originally Posted by: wpr 



Ted routinely provides quality depth through these late round and free agent acquisitions.

“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”
StoicFire
10 years ago

I'll bet Kevin Dorsey beats out Boykin next year.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



I will take that bet. I think the top receivers next season will be Jordy Nelson, Randall Cobb, and Jarrett Boykin. I'm not sure who will get significant playing time behind them, but I think they will be the top 3 because I don't see them resigning James Jones.

Just guessing though... no real bet obviously.

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