DoddPower
11 years ago

Most likely Orakpo is wanting to see what FA offers especially after what Kruger pulled in last year on the open market.

Originally Posted by: steveishere 



I'm surprised he wasn't re-signed a year or more ago.

DakotaT
11 years ago

If it were down to signing 1 guy I think I'd almost take Byrd or Ward over Shields. We've got some at least NFL level players at CB behind Shields. You can't say the same for MD Jennings. Which would you rather have?

CB - Tramon Williams, Casey Hayward, Hyde/House
S - Morgan Burnett, Byrd/Ward

or

CB - Tramon Williams, Casey Hayward, Sam Shields
S - Morgan Burnett, Rookie/Jennings/Richardson

Not that both options couldn't necessarily happen I'm just saying letting Shields walk wouldn't totally cripple us. I think Shields was at least a top 3 player for us this year on D but CB is the 1 position on D we could make a sacrifice to boost a weaker position group.

Originally Posted by: steveishere 



I want Shields, period. He's our best corner. I would also like to see Micah Hyde moved to safety, cause he needs to be on the field. Let Hayward and House be nickel and dime corners. If we can sign Byrd too, that be fine - but I don't want Sam getting out of GB.
UserPostedImage
dhazer
11 years ago
I think we resign Shields if and only if we can get Williams to restructure his contract because he isn't worth the money he will be getting next year. I would love to keep shields,Williams and add Byrd. I think adding a veteran safety would change the whole defense.
Just Imagine this for the next 6-9 years. What a ride it will be šŸ™‚ (PS, Zero should charge for this)
UserPostedImage
DarkaneRules
11 years ago
I have not seen anybody yet I would personally go after that is a big name at least. The last one I really wanted was Lynch.
Circular Arguments: They are a heck of an annoyance
DakotaT
11 years ago

I think we resign Shields if and only if we can get Williams to restructure his contract because he isn't worth the money he will be getting next year. I would love to keep shields,Williams and add Byrd. I think adding a veteran safety would change the whole defense.

Originally Posted by: dhazer 



I think Shields gets the franchise tag, whether or not Tramon restructures.
UserPostedImage
texaspackerbacker
11 years ago
I'd like to see some stats on what cap room we have. I saw something about $18 million I think after the overall increase, but I'm not sure if that reflected an amount for drafted players, anything allotted for our on FAs or not, etc.

I'll just say this: face value of a contract is a lot different from cap hit. We can easily afford A LOT more than it seems. $30 million for 5 years, just to pick a number out of the air, is NOT a straight $6 million hit. Figuring a medium to large bonus, a low first year salary, and a back-loaded deal. Example: $10 million bonus and salaries of $1, $3, $4, $5, and $7 million - a total of $30 million with a $3 million cap hit the first year - the salary plus proration of the bonus.

I would like to see Byrd and either Orakpo or Worilds signed in addition to keeping Shields and Starks (who I don't think will be very expensive). Obviously we let Raji and Pickett go, Finley too; I'd let James Jones go also - on the assumption somebody will overpay him, like Jennings last year. That much ought to be well within reach if Thompson gets off his ass and tries. Will he do it? That's a different matter. A good GM would.
Expressing the Good Normal Views of Good Normal Americans.
If Anything I Say Smacks of Extremism, Please Tell Me EXACTLY What.
luigis
11 years ago

I'd like to see some stats on what cap room we have. I saw something about $18 million I think after the overall increase, but I'm not sure if that reflected an amount for drafted players, anything allotted for our on FAs or not, etc.

I'll just say this: face value of a contract is a lot different from cap hit. We can easily afford A LOT more than it seems. $30 million for 5 years, just to pick a number out of the air, is NOT a straight $6 million hit. Figuring a medium to large bonus, a low first year salary, and a back-loaded deal. Example: $10 million bonus and salaries of $1, $3, $4, $5, and $7 million - a total of $30 million with a $3 million cap hit the first year - the salary plus proration of the bonus.

I would like to see Byrd and either Orakpo or Worilds signed in addition to keeping Shields and Starks (who I don't think will be very expensive). Obviously we let Raji and Pickett go, Finley too; I'd let James Jones go also - on the assumption somebody will overpay him, like Jennings last year. That much ought to be well within reach if Thompson gets off his ass and tries. Will he do it? That's a different matter. A good GM would.

Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker 



Teams that have a couple of players eating most of the cap need to draft very well because that's the only way to build around the expensive players.
I don't think we can afford Byrd or Orakpo and I would risk that if we plan to win another SB with Rodgers then this year's draft will be really critical.

Luis
buckeyepackfan
11 years ago

I'd like to see some stats on what cap room we have. I saw something about $18 million I think after the overall increase, but I'm not sure if that reflected an amount for drafted players, anything allotted for our on FAs or not, etc.

I'll just say this: face value of a contract is a lot different from cap hit. We can easily afford A LOT more than it seems. $30 million for 5 years, just to pick a number out of the air, is NOT a straight $6 million hit. Figuring a medium to large bonus, a low first year salary, and a back-loaded deal. Example: $10 million bonus and salaries of $1, $3, $4, $5, and $7 million - a total of $30 million with a $3 million cap hit the first year - the salary plus proration of the bonus.

I would like to see Byrd and either Orakpo or Worilds signed in addition to keeping Shields and Starks (who I don't think will be very expensive). Obviously we let Raji and Pickett go, Finley too; I'd let James Jones go also - on the assumption somebody will overpay him, like Jennings last year. That much ought to be well within reach if Thompson gets off his ass and tries. Will he do it? That's a different matter. A good GM would.

Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker 



Packers have contracts totaling just over 101Mil already in place for 2014.

Now there are a few of those contracts that will probably be reworked, but it is safe to say The Packers will have between 20 and 25 mil dollars maybe as much as 30mil to work with.

Tramon Williams is the one that sticks out the most(9.5mil), but any savings that is made by re-working his contract I see going to sign Sam Shields.

Ted has always addressed The Packers UFA's 1st, maybe this year will be different.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/green-bay-packers/yearly/ 
I was addicted to The Hokey Pokey, but I turned myself around!
texaspackerbacker
11 years ago

Packers have contracts totaling just over 101Mil already in place for 2014.

Now there are a few of those contracts that will probably be reworked, but it is safe to say The Packers will have between 20 and 25 mil dollars maybe as much as 30mil to work with.

Tramon Williams is the one that sticks out the most(9.5mil), but any savings that is made by re-working his contract I see going to sign Sam Shields.

Ted has always addressed The Packers UFA's 1st, maybe this year will be different.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/green-bay-packers/yearly/ 

Originally Posted by: buckeyepackfan 



Thanks, Buckeye. So allowing what? $5-6 million for the draft? That leaves close to $20 million, and Tramon would undoubtedly accept either a Hawk-like deal or a more generous (to him) restructuring, either way knocking several million off his cap hit. A Clay Matthews-like contract could be done with a cap hit under $6 million. Shields, Byrd, and Orakpo each should be obtainable for a little less than Clay - maybe $5 million cap hit each. Signing them should leave plenty for Starks, Kuhn, and whatever else is needed.

As has been said, it comes down to a matter of philosophy, and Ol' Ted better get his ....... philosophy in order - and also do a damn good job drafting.
Expressing the Good Normal Views of Good Normal Americans.
If Anything I Say Smacks of Extremism, Please Tell Me EXACTLY What.
DakotaT
11 years ago
I think the odds of Tramon restructuring to help the Packers are very low. James Jones has already come out and said he wants to stay in Green Bay and will sign for less. So that leaves us to go asking for our overpriced veterans to take pay cuts. I would start with the entire linebacking corp, especially Matthews.
UserPostedImage
Fan Shout
beast (4h) : Wow, 95% drop in investment revenue? Would be interesting to hear the details of why...
dfosterf (25-Jul) : It's my one day deal complaint dept. on shareholder meeting day
dfosterf (25-Jul) : Probably a homer access credential intimidation kinda thing
dfosterf (25-Jul) : Meathead "journalists" skip this, concentrating on operational revenue when convenient. They switch when net revenue is more favorable.
dfosterf (25-Jul) : Resulting in an actual drop of net revenue of 12.5%. She is from Minnesota. Just sayin'
dfosterf (25-Jul) : Any plans to hold Maureen Smith (CFO) accountable for a 95% drop in investment revenue?
Mucky Tundra (25-Jul) : In your face, HBO!
Mucky Tundra (25-Jul) : @ByRyanWood Mark Murphy: ā€œA great source of pride of mine is that we were never on Hard Knocks.ā€
Mucky Tundra (25-Jul) : *years
Mucky Tundra (25-Jul) : @mattschneidman Mark Murphy says he anticipates ā€œmany Packers gamesā€ being played in Germany, Ireland and/or the U.K. over the next 5-10 yea
dfosterf (25-Jul) : *cafeteria* I have hit my head also, so I sympathize
dfosterf (25-Jul) : Possibly hit his head leaning into the glass protecting the food in the cafateria
dfosterf (25-Jul) : Maybe a low flying drone
dfosterf (25-Jul) : Did Savion Williams run into a goalpost or something?
Mucky Tundra (25-Jul) : also, no bueno when a guy starts getting concussions right off the bat in his career
Zero2Cool (25-Jul) : Concussion is worse. Banks probably vet off day via back booboo claim
Mucky Tundra (25-Jul) : @AndyHermanNFL Jordy Nelson out at camp today. No word if he’s in play for one of the two open roster spots ; )
dfosterf (25-Jul) : Is that better or worse than Banks bad back?
Zero2Cool (25-Jul) : Savion concussion ... not good.
packerfanoutwest (24-Jul) : Aaron Rodgers’s first pass of first team period was picked off
Mucky Tundra (24-Jul) : tbh I didn't hear of his passing
Zero2Cool (24-Jul) : Cosby Show. Malcom Jamal Warner I think is real name
Mucky Tundra (24-Jul) : I was thinking of Ozzy and Hulk
Mucky Tundra (24-Jul) : Who's Theo?
Zero2Cool (24-Jul) : How is Theo alliteration?
Mucky Tundra (24-Jul) : Bad week for people whose names are alliterations
Zero2Cool (24-Jul) : Hulk Hogan gone too.
Zero2Cool (24-Jul) : Oh, it's toe injury
Zero2Cool (24-Jul) : Hope it's not serious. that would stink
dfosterf (24-Jul) : Sounds like an ankle not a knee for Fields
dfosterf (24-Jul) : Ya Flaccp on Browns
Zero2Cool (24-Jul) : Maybe Tyrod Taylor instead
Zero2Cool (24-Jul) : He's on Browns, right?
dfosterf (24-Jul) : They would probably go with Flacco is my guess if Fields out
dfosterf (24-Jul) : Fleece 'em again!
Zero2Cool (24-Jul) : Malik Willis might be someone Jets come after
packerfanoutwest (24-Jul) : Packers introduce 1923-inspired classic uniform, leather-look helmet
Zero2Cool (23-Jul) : Both LB Quay Walker and Rookie DB Micah Robinson have passed their physicals
Zero2Cool (23-Jul) : Happy to see site feels more snappy snappy
Zero2Cool (23-Jul) : No sir. I did not.
dfosterf (23-Jul) : You didn't get free childcare when you were at work?
wpr (23-Jul) : These guys make hundreds of thousands of dollars a year. Pay for their own childcare.
dfosterf (23-Jul) : 2nd issue. Number 1 issue was no gameday childcare. 1 of 3 teams not providing it
Zero2Cool (23-Jul) : Suppose if locker room is main issue, we sitting pretty
wpr (23-Jul) : I thought so Mucky. In those useless player polls GB always rates high overall. Locker is a part of it.
Mucky Tundra (23-Jul) : Wasn't the locker room just updated like 6 or 7 years ago?
Zero2Cool (23-Jul) : I have forum updated on different site. We'll see how this one goes before going to that
Zero2Cool (23-Jul) : Elgton Jenkins has a back injury, is expect to end contract dispute
wpr (23-Jul) : It's funny the PA complained about the locker room. It wasn't that long ago it was top shelf. Things change in a hurry.
wpr (23-Jul) : The site is much more better.
Please sign in to use Fan Shout
2025 Packers Schedule
Sunday, Sep 7 @ 3:25 PM
LIONS
Thursday, Sep 11 @ 7:15 PM
COMMANDERS
Sunday, Sep 21 @ 12:00 PM
Browns
Sunday, Sep 28 @ 7:20 PM
Cowboys
Sunday, Oct 12 @ 3:25 PM
BENGALS
Sunday, Oct 19 @ 3:25 PM
Cardinals
Sunday, Oct 26 @ 7:20 PM
Steelers
Sunday, Nov 2 @ 12:00 PM
PANTHERS
Monday, Nov 10 @ 7:15 PM
EAGLES
Sunday, Nov 16 @ 12:00 PM
Giants
Sunday, Nov 23 @ 12:00 PM
VIKINGS
Thursday, Nov 27 @ 12:00 PM
Lions
Sunday, Dec 7 @ 12:00 PM
BEARS
Sunday, Dec 14 @ 3:25 PM
Broncos
Friday, Dec 19 @ 11:00 PM
Bears
Friday, Dec 26 @ 11:00 PM
RAVENS
Saturday, Jan 3 @ 11:00 PM
Vikings
Recent Topics
4h / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

4h / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

25-Jul / Around The NFL / Mucky Tundra

25-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

25-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / TheKanataThrilla

25-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / dfosterf

25-Jul / Around The NFL / beast

24-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / Martha Careful

24-Jul / Around The NFL / beast

24-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

23-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

23-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr

22-Jul / Random Babble / Zero2Cool

22-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

22-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

Headlines
Copyright Ā© 2006 - 2025 PackersHome.comā„¢. All Rights Reserved.