cheesehead already made one of my points for me about the health of the wrs, but add to that the issues at RB and OL and I wouldn't exactly say it has been easy for him.

Furthermore, very few starting QBs are hurt for prolonged periods of time, so M.M. isn't the only HC/OC who has been lucky to this point.

I see most of our RB and OL issues mostly being caused by McCarthy and his refusal to shift blocking scheme (until this year). We were never able to block the outside zone very well and that is symptom of his not adjusting to what his players can do.

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I was referring to health more. The Packers have been cursed a bit at tackle.

Yeah, look what this offense did when its had its healthiest line. Won a super bowl in 2010 and set records in 2011.

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McCarthy has definitely made some bonehead playcalls, but those are being put under a huge magnifying class because we're Packers fans and we're spoiled.

Our offensive is as good as it is because we have McCarthy. If we fired McCarthy, Rodgers has to go back to Step 1, and I'd rather not have that happen. These guys are joined at the hip. And if you noticed at the beginning of the season, they definitely had verbal disagreements--which is why Rodgers was more aggressive with the audibles at the line of scrimmage. Same went for Matt Flynn. If you ask me, Flynn listens more to Rodgers than he does McCarthy.

What I really don't like about McCarthy is the way he calls run plays when the pass is working. I don't know if anybody else noticed, but when Flynn ran the offense, it was mostly vanilla offense with vanilla running attempts. When Rodgers is in, he tends to hand the ball off from the shotgun. THAT's where things get predictable and stupid.

Yes, we don't dominate teams, but it's not because of the playcalling. Look back at Rodgers' 15-1 MVP season. There was no issue with the playcalling there.

Thompson just needs to give McCarthy and Rodgers a better offensive line to work with.

The Packers also lack the "step on their throats" mentality. I'm not saying run up the score, but the team needs a mean streak. Hell, yes, I want the team to run up the score.

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Yes, but that hasn't really needed adjusting the play calling or game planning either. The only other time where the game planning and scheming needed to really be adjusted was in 2010 when Finley went down and even that year, it took a number of weeks before the team was itself again, and we only survived because of having Rodgers under Center and a deep WR group.

To me he just seems to be a "this is what we do doesn't matter who is playing or gets hurt" where I would like to see him quicker to be able to adjust. I think this is related to why he seems to only adjust at halftime rather than on the fly.

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Actually, our Offense is as good as it is because we have Aaron Rodgers.

There is so much love for McCarthy simply because the Packers have been a winning team throughout his tenure. Why is that, given the mostly BAD defense, given the mostly BAD O-Line, given the bunch of injuries, given the lack of quality at RB until this season, etc.? Aaron Rodgers! Outscoring other teams, and generally doing so while escaping a pass rush made worse by poor O-Line blocking and lack of a credible run threat until this season. Arguably, McCarthy has lucked out to the max having Rodgers as his QB - and this year, when Rodgers was hurt, for the first time, people began to question/criticize the wisdom and quality of the head coach, in addition to everything else that was exposed by Rodgers' injury. Would we even have this thread otherwise?

My gripe about McCarthy is that he seemed to float in the wind regarding this shit people bring up about more run plays/time of possession/idiocy like that. Over the past few seasons, we had the BEST offense in the NFL. Then we lucked out again, and drafted possibly the best RB in the league. And what happened - even before and after the Rodgers injury? The offense got WORSE! Why? Because McCarthy GAVE IN to the idiocy promoted in this forum and a lot of other places that we should run first - basically throwing away early downs, putting more pressure on the passing game with 3rd and long so much, etc. McCarthy was a GREAT playcaller the past few seasons when he emphasized down field passing anytime. He would be a GREAT playcaller again if he would go back to that and use Lacy as an occasional runner instead of forcing the run game on early downs.

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I feel like MM play calling gets into patterns... and when defenses start figuring out those patterns the offense gets into trouble.

Also I like an out of the box play once in a while, I'm not talking like RB pass or anything too fancy but having a change up to go along with your fast ball... though I did noticed he pull one against the 49ers (which I had been hoping to see for a while).

Basically load up on strong side make it seem like a sure run to the strong side then have it as a surprise go to the weak side. It's something the Lions have worked extremely well with their speed backs, and it's something I think Franklin or Cobb could do extremely well as you're basically trying to get upside the contain guy as well as trying to trick the contain guy to come chashing down to the inside.


MM did it with Starks against the 49ers, made it look like it was gonna go left, their contain guy bite slightly on the play but Starks had enough speed to get around him with that and I think he got a 1st down.

Franklin and Cobb with their speed might not even need them to bite for that to work, just a good to great block on the CB and/or S coming down to help out.

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A lot of the comments I am seeing bring back the old argument of does the player make the coach or does the coach make the player. I will never ever be getting into this debate so carry on yall 😛

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As always, it's never that simple or black and white (well, almost never), just like life in general. Unfortunately, many try to act like it is, but I think most of us know better.