dhazer
11 years ago
This is who I want so we can say Bye Bye Raji


Aaron Donald


Watch the highlight at 1:15 he tackles the qb and running back at the same time lol









Just Imagine this for the next 6-9 years. What a ride it will be šŸ™‚ (PS, Zero should charge for this)
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Mucky Tundra
11 years ago

The only problem I have with drafting another 3-4 DE, especially one like Hageman, is that we're so stocked with "potential" at that position in Daniels, Jones, Worthy and both Neal and Boyd depending on what they're playing with those two, that I'm not sure I'd like another first rounder invested at this point.

Of course you pick him up if he would fall down further than expected and he'll be just of too great a value to pass on him.

Nix, I like. He's really not that different from Raji coming out of college. I wouldn't hestitate to take a shot on him if he would fall all the way down to us. Thing is, he's way too talented to go 21st overall. We'd have to trade up. Since he might just be the best DT in the draft and is projected to play NT in both the 3-4 and 4-3, giving him high positional value, I don't see him falling to the 20s.

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You know, I find myself thinking the same thing whenever I think of this team spending a pick on a DL in rounds 1-3. Then I remember how the Giants rode their front 4 to two titles even though the rest of their D was mediocre. I know it's not exactly the same thing since the Packers are technically a 3-4 and run a lot of subpackages that involve 2 DL, but being able to control the LOS with only 4 guys seems more important than ever with how much the NFL favors passing these days.
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DoddPower
11 years ago

You know, I find myself thinking the same thing whenever I think of this team spending a pick on a DL in rounds 1-3. Then I remember how the Giants rode their front 4 to two titles even though the rest of their D was mediocre. I know it's not exactly the same thing since the Packers are technically a 3-4 and run a lot of subpackages that involve 2 DL, but being able to control the LOS with only 4 guys seems more important than ever with how much the NFL favors passing these days.

Originally Posted by: Mucky Tundra 



I think a team that has great to dominant lines (offensive and defensive) will always be a contender, almost regardless of the other positions. Obviously that's within reason, but a borderline dominant pass rush can cover up so many holes in a defense. A great offensive line can also make average QBs look very good. I think Ted Thompson is a very good GM, but I do wish he would focus more on building strong trenches. Although it's not like he hasn't tried, it just hasn't worked out very well.

play2win
11 years ago
Sign Jairus Byrd at S in FA and pick all the DL you want!
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11 years ago

You know, I find myself thinking the same thing whenever I think of this team spending a pick on a DL in rounds 1-3. Then I remember how the Giants rode their front 4 to two titles even though the rest of their D was mediocre. I know it's not exactly the same thing since the Packers are technically a 3-4 and run a lot of subpackages that involve 2 DL, but being able to control the LOS with only 4 guys seems more important than ever with how much the NFL favors passing these days.

Originally Posted by: Mucky Tundra 



give me 4 animals on the DL that devour the OL every day of the week and I will take my chances.
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beast
11 years ago

The only problem I have with drafting another 3-4 DE, especially one like Hageman, is that we're so stocked with "potential" at that position in Daniels, Jones, Worthy and both Neal and Boyd depending on what they're playing with those two, that I'm not sure I'd like another first rounder invested at this point.

Of course you pick him up if he would fall down further than expected and he'll be just of too great a value to pass on him.

Nix, I like. He's really not that different from Raji coming out of college. I wouldn't hestitate to take a shot on him if he would fall all the way down to us. Thing is, he's way too talented to go 21st overall. We'd have to trade up. Since he might just be the best DT in the draft and is projected to play NT in both the 3-4 and 4-3, giving him high positional value, I don't see him falling to the 20s.

Originally Posted by: Rockmolder 



Jolly and Raji played a lot of 3-4 DE this year and Pickett has played a lot of 3-4 DE in the past and all of them are FAs. I haven't noticed potential from Worthy... Jones is a pass rusher not a run clogger and the Packers at times struggled against the run. So the DL group can be very much improved and Hageman might be able to play NT some as well.


I've seen a number of mocks that had Nix dropping to the late 20s, probably because of his knee injury. And every once in a while you get a surprise and some NT drops into the 2nd round that seems to be a shock for draft people. Also I think Raji had a lot more burst than Nix.
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DoddPower
11 years ago

Also I think Raji had a lot more burst than Nix.

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It doesn't matter what kind of "burst" Raji has when he gives shit for effort. That guy is done as a Packer, hopefully. The Packers will need to find another big man to take his spot, but Raji just isn't the answer.

play2win
11 years ago
Our top priority should be Safety. I'm hoping Ted takes two!

While we do need run stopping and pass rush, that will be all for naught with another season of complete dog shit Safety play. Add to that, we've spent some high picks, a lot of picks at DL. Time to further develop that talent: Daniels, Worthy, Jones, Boyd.

"Safety First!"

BTW, that size + talent at NT/DT is highly coveted, and I will understand them going there this year with a R1. But, man, lousy play at S has killed us 3 years running.
sschind
11 years ago
I've said it before and I will say it again, I do not watch college football so I will never make a suggestion as to WHO the Packers should draft. I also think that the Packers could use help at pretty much every position so I won't even make a suggestion as to what position they should draft. You asked who I wanted. Well, I just want someone who will contribute in 2014. I don't care if it is a linebacker or a safety or a nose tackle or a tight end or a kicker (Ok I'd care if it were a kicker) I just want someone who will play the entire season and be one of those guys who makes people say "that was a good pick" I'm tired of "he could develop into a solid starter" type picks. I know injuries have taken that away from some of our past #1s and that can't be helped. I also know that at #21 there are no guarantees (there are no guarantees at#1 either) I'm just sick of #1 picks that don't pan out (although sometimes the #2 picks kind of make up for it)

I know that's a cheesy kind of answer but hey, we are a cheesy kind of team. Its a cop out and its what we all want but honestly, like I said, I want the guy we take at #21 (if we take a guy at #21) to be a guy that contributes to the Packers in 2014.
play2win
11 years ago
It is a good point sschind. A true contributor on D. Yep. That's what I want. Again.

Sad that this is so true. To me, Datone was super underwhelming, Perry never really materialized into the player I had hoped, Worthy never showed, Daniels rocked, but Hayward, our only real success on D couldn't contribute this year. Mike Neal seems a square peg in any round hole.

Thank God for Micah Hyde. Slow, but a sure instinctive defender and returner. So, 2 good contributors out of that bunch? Nevermind Raji & Matthews? Wow.

Ted has to do a better job.
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