One of the big advantages of Capers when he replaced Sanders was that he could do it with smoke and mirrors if necessary. Sanders could never do that.

Now the argument is, Capers' scheme is so complicated and brittle that without just the right players, it completely falls apart. Well, I don't buy it.

I will give Capers credit for this past game. The D stepped up, to some degree. They got some stops. I'm mostly worried about the run D.

Here's another issue. Morgan Burnett has been completely wasted. This was a dude who could play. Remember his rookie year, before he was out for the season? He was looking very good.

This isn't a dude with average or below average skills. Then again, neither was Jerron McMillian. So what gives?

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 

Boy there's lots of excuse for poor Dom in this thread, but can somebody please explain to me why basic tackling isn't being taught to all of our defensive players? The Packers defense sucks and has sucked for a long time because these pussies can't tackle. And then when we get the tackling issue discussed and figured out, then we should move on to rushing the passer, cause they really suck at that too. And when the pass rush issue is discussed, then we can move on to the ridiculousness of our excellent corners playing zone coverage. But Dom isn't responsible, right. LOL

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 

As a matter of fact .......

Teaching fundamentals - more like pushing people to do fundamental stuff well, as pros were taught that a long time ago or they wouldn't be in the NFL, THAT is the job of the position coaches - the greatly esteem WWF entertainer who handles part of our LB corps and the rest - Moss? Perry? I can't even think of the D Line coach. I don't like the poor tackling either, but if Capers is responsible for that, it's only as a higher level manager - not directly.

Have you noticed? Some of those now either coming around to a less negative point of view about Capers had a much more negative point of view not too long ago? Maybe opinion is starting to come around to a more sensible perspective. Or maybe it's just that having Aaron Rodgers back and outscoring teams makes the bad D and bad personnel in general seem less significant.

Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker 

What's funny is that you actually think you're smart. [grin1]

This defense sucks, and has sucked for years, and it's a miracle we've been as successful as we have been. I don't like outscoring people, I like a defense that mudstomps people. But I have to go back to the Wolf/Holmgren era for that.

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 

They won't be getting rid of Capers, but they should. I'd welcome Mike Singletary with open arms and switch back to a 4-3. He'd weed out the pussies pretty quickly.

Oh yeah, the d-line coach is Mike Trgvac or something like that - but I question him with the lack of development of one 10th overall pick Raji.

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 

The Packers defense would of been 9th in point allowed last year if they ruled the "fail mary" play corrently. Top 10 doesn't suck...

And the year the Packers won the Super Bowl the Packers were 2nd in points allowed.

This year the biggest problem for the defense was missing Rodgers... yes Rodgers... no he doesn't play defense but he effects it alot. With the back-ups in the game the offense had shorter drives and more turn overs and gave less hope to the defense which combined with the defense problems killed the defense.

With Rodgers the Packers gave up on average of 23.25 points pergame (which includes Bengals and 49ers games where the Packers offense and Special teams gave some prime turnovers and gave up points them selves).

That 23.25 points per game would of been 15th in the NFL, which isn't good but we know this defense has holes with some of their lack of playmakers.

Without Rodgers this team averaged giving up 30.25 points per game which would of been worse in the NFL.



Mike Singletary? ummm I didn't follow him closely but haven't his teams sucked?

I question Trgvac as well but not because of Raji... to me it looks like Raji doesn't want to run clog and mental isn't willing enough to do it for a full game (well he did at the start of the season but since has gone back to his normal ways). I think that problem is between Raji's ears... not so much with Trgvac.

But what's up with bring in all the 4-3 DT types instead of 3-4 DE / 3-4 NT types? Also other than Daniels (and maybe Boyd) I haven't seen much growth out of the DL.

Then again Neal was very injury prone, and Worthy got a bad injury and missed the offseason...

Originally Posted by: beast 

The biggest problem with this weak ass defense we've been running is it is only successful when getting turnovers. Well, we're not getting the turnovers, so that's why it looks so bad. Also, it is a very weak defense up the middle, very weak.

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 

What's funny is that you actually think you're smart. [grin1]

This defense sucks, and has sucked for years, and it's a miracle we've been as successful as we have been. I don't like outscoring people, I like a defense that mudstomps people. But I have to go back to the Wolf/Holmgren era for that. They won't be getting rid of Capers, but they should. I'd welcome Mike Singletary with open arms and switch back to a 4-3. He'd weed out the pussies pretty quickly.

Oh yeah, the d-line coach is Mike Trgvac or something like that - but I question him with the lack of development of one 10th overall pick Raji.

Originally Posted by: DakotaT