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I have noticed this too. I have mentioned a lot of things through this season, but there is somethong else going on that I can't quite place. From the outside, we can only speculate - but I would have to guess there is frustration between players and coaches.

I too think the way the opening game in SF went has a lot to do with how the season has gone. Not to say that this lone game ruined their year - but I have no doubt it played a part. I know the season isn't over, but things look pretty gloomy at this point.

Originally Posted by: hardrocker950 



People will all say that this is just "because Rodgers went down."

But this is largely on the D. We "woulda coulda shoulda" won at least two of these games already.
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11 years ago

Personally... I think there are bigger issues than players vs Dom inside the walls of 1265.. I think we are seeing glimpses of it throughout this season...

1. Jennings comments on the Packers organization.
2. Arod vs Mike McCarthy on the sideline of a game.
3. Arod's frustrations in his "medical situation".
4. Comments like this...

Originally Posted by: Pack93z 



I inked something up about their being a rift between Rodgers and McCarthy and cited several quotes and antics. Including the outburst over the Challenge Flag that Jordy Nelson picked up.
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The idea of any player doing what this title suggests just sickens me. You gotta have more pride than that and be accountable for yourself.

Originally Posted by: DarkaneRules 



This is so true!
And the players arn't playing for Capers, they are playing to keep their JOBS. If they do bad, yes, it might get the coach fired, but it also will get THEM fired.

How many times in this losing streak have we seen missed tackles and blown coverages? Guys getting so open that ANYONE could complete a pass?
THAT is the problem. Guys on the field not doing their jobs.

They need to get back to basics and learn how to tackle. Although at this level, they should know how to do that already.
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They need to get back to basics and learn how to tackle. Although at this level, they should know how to do that already.

Originally Posted by: Cheesey 



Oh to have a coach that actually requires his players to tackle or sit down. [happy] that would make me so happy to see once again before I die. Players who played gritty hard nosed football once again. But I am dreaming.
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Oh to have a coach that actually requires his players to tackle or sit down. [happy] that would make me so happy to see once again before I die. Players who played gritty hard nosed football once again. But I am dreaming.

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Have you checked out how soft the kids of today are? And you think we're ever going to see hard-nosed football again? Just be thankful for those 60's Packers teams. There's a reason they are so overexposed. The 70's Steelers aren't looked to that way because they were dirty.
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Have you checked out how soft the kids of today are? And you think we're ever going to see hard-nosed football again? Just be thankful for those 60's Packers teams. There's a reason they are so overexposed. The 70's Steelers aren't looked to that way because they were dirty.

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yes I know. It is a dream I have. The rules today forbid it.
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11 years ago
Anyone listening to pregame?

NO, I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY QUIT IN THIS TEAM. THAT MINNESOTA GAME WAS DISTURBING THOUGH.

Fuck you, pregame bullshitters. Might as well listen to Vic Ketchman.
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11 years ago

Anyone listening to pregame?

NO, I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY QUIT IN THIS TEAM. THAT MINNESOTA GAME WAS DISTURBING THOUGH.

Fuck you, pregame bullshitters. Might as well listen to Vic Ketchman.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



I think Vic is pretty knowledgeable, and I do listen to him.

Also, for what it's worth, I didn't see any quit either.

Man did it feel nice to finally watch a win again.

Can't wait to see Rodgers back out there. Hopefully soon.
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I thought for a bunch of coach doubting, scheme blasting quitters they played pretty hard today.

Or was it just me thinking I saw something that really wasn't what was going on.

Oh well, I think I'll leave the thinking something is going on that isn't really going on for the experts in that area.










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11 years ago


The defense seems to have one or two horrible looking series everyweek but they're not half bad when the offense isn't horrible, going 3 and out over and over nor turning the ball over setting up the other team to score points.


I've heard a lot of complaining about the defense this year and like I said they have a horrible looking series or two every week, but overall I've thought they've played better than the offense this year.
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I thought the Falcons dropped a couple passes on purpose on that final drive. Suspected they were playing for a high draft pick.

It did seem the D showed up today, to some degree.

Bush made some plays, although the one on Gonzales might have been a drop on purpose.

I thought Richardson looked better than Jennings.

Didn't seem like Clay did much, but I think he was double teamed much of the day, enabling Perry and Neal to get home, which they both did.
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I thought the Falcons dropped a couple passes on purpose on that final drive. Suspected they were playing for a high draft pick.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



The coaches, scouts, owner, etc... might perfer a higher pick to winning the game, but I doubt the players would drop them on purpose knowing they could be the hero of this game and get their teammates, fans and coaches behind them and because higher picks mean higher chances of losing their job to someone else.


I thought Richardson looked better than Jennings.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



I thought the defense looked much better with Richardson in there, he might become the starter for the rest of the season.


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I thought the Falcons dropped a couple passes on purpose on that final drive. Suspected they were playing for a high draft pick.

It did seem the D showed up today, to some degree.

Bush made some plays, although the one on Gonzales might have been a drop on purpose.

I thought Richardson looked better than Jennings.

Didn't seem like Clay did much, but I think he was double teamed much of the day, enabling Perry and Neal to get home, which they both did.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



Does Atlanta even have their #1 pick this year. I thought they made a Herschel Walker trade to get Julio Jones.
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Does Atlanta even have their #1 pick this year. I thought they made a Herschel Walker trade to get Julio Jones.

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 



all done they gave up their 27th, 59th, and 124th picks from the 2011 draft, and their first and fourth round picks from the 2012 draft.
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11 years ago

I thought for a bunch of coach doubting, scheme blasting quitters they played pretty hard today.

Or was it just me thinking I saw something that really wasn't what was going on.

Oh well, I think I'll leave the thinking something is going on that isn't really going on for the experts in that area.

Originally Posted by: warhawk 



Nah, they quit. They have given up. They are revolting. It's just that Atlanta wanted to lose more than the Packers did. Otherwise we wouldn't have had a chance in hell of winning.

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The coaches, scouts, owner, etc... might perfer a higher pick to winning the game, but I doubt the players would drop them on purpose knowing they could be the hero of this game and get their teammates, fans and coaches behind them and because higher picks mean higher chances of losing their job to someone else.




I thought the defense looked much better with Richardson in there, he might become the starter for the rest of the season.

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I doubt that many coaches, scouts and owners would prefer the loss either. Some fans who have it in their heads that losing is better than winning think that they need the high draft pick to succeed so they think everyone is of the same mindset.

I wonder what these fans would want in the following situation. The Packers are 0-15 and they are playing another 0-15 team in week 17. The loser gets the higher draft pick. Do they still root for the loss?

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I doubt that many coaches, scouts and owners would prefer the loss either. Some fans who have it in their heads that losing is better than winning think that they need the high draft pick to succeed so they think everyone is of the same mindset.

I wonder what these fans would want in the following situation. The Packers are 0-15 and they are playing another 0-15 team in week 17. The loser gets the higher draft pick. Do they still root for the loss?

Originally Posted by: sschind 



Well I'm a Bucks fan too and they already in full on tank mode and they haven't even played 20 games yet. If it yields them one of the three studs coming out of college this year, hell yeah I'm perfectly fine with a shitstain season. When you need offensive line help, the higher your pick in each round, the better. It's called a sacrifice for a greater good, but most people don't have an understanding of this concept.
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11 years ago

Well I'm a Bucks fan too and they already in full on tank mode and they haven't even played 20 games yet. If it yields them one of the three studs coming out of college this year, hell yeah I'm perfectly fine with a shitstain season. When you need offensive line help, the higher your pick in each round, the better. It's called a sacrifice for a greater good, but most people don't have an understanding of this concept.

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 



It's hard for me to have much satisfaction if "my" team doesn't win the Super Bowl. "Moral victories" don't do a whole lot for me, especially when a team has an elite QB. If losing a few more games allows a team to retool, address weaknesses, and win a Super Bowl in the next season or two, than I certainly would be OK with it. Of course, there's no guarantee that will happen. But generally, I think it's a fairly safe bet that drafting in the top 10 gives a team a better chance of obtaining a franchise changing player than drafting in the late 20's. Obviously nothing is ever guaranteed, though.

Fortunately for the Packers, they are still in a good position for this season, so they don't have to even think about any of this. Players and coaches really shouldn't either, because they have a job to do. I don't see any problem with the thoughts crossing the fans minds, though. As I've said several times, making it to the playoffs and getting embarrassed in the wildcard or divisional round doesn't make me feel any better than only winning a few games and getting a high draft pick. That, of course, is predicated on the assumption that with a healthy Aaron Rodgers and weaknesses addressed, that the Packers will easily be a contender again next season.
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11 years ago

Well I'm a Bucks fan too and they already in full on tank mode and they haven't even played 20 games yet. If it yields them one of the three studs coming out of college this year, hell yeah I'm perfectly fine with a shitstain season. When you need offensive line help, the higher your pick in each round, the better. It's called a sacrifice for a greater good, but most people don't have an understanding of this concept.

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 



I bet if you were one of the coaches and it was your ass on the hot seat you wouldn't be so willing to sacrifice for the greater good lol. The idea of teams purposely taking in the NFL is just completely stupid. These guys aren't going to tank for the good of a team that's going to fire their ass after it's over, especially for the players.
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Well I'm a Bucks fan too and they already in full on tank mode and they haven't even played 20 games yet. If it yields them one of the three studs coming out of college this year, hell yeah I'm perfectly fine with a shitstain season. When you need offensive line help, the higher your pick in each round, the better. It's called a sacrifice for a greater good, but most people don't have an understanding of this concept.

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 



I understand the concept I just don't agree with it. You do and that's fine. You root for the Packers in your way I'll root for them in mine. I'd rather see an extra win or two than a higher draft pick but that's just me.

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