play2win
11 years ago

"Woodson was also in the prime of his career with all kinds of room to grow. We reaped incredible benefits from both signings. Both Saturday and Benson were has-beens, both at the end of their careers, and we saw what that kind of bargain hunting did for us" \

Whether or not you used the word "obvious" is irrelevant, you implied that Woodson, Saturday, and Benson were all clear moves even without the aid of hindsight.

How did Cullen Jenkins, Justin Babin, and Greg Jennings work out for their respective teams? Yes Avril and Bennett worked, but you can paint any picture you want if you cherry pick the success stories and disregard the ones that didn't work.

Originally Posted by: musccy 



Don't even talk to me about Cullen Jenkins!!! 😆 Really, that always was a sore spot with me. If Ted ever needed to re-sign one of his own guys, it was him. If we had his numbers from his first two seasons in PHI, we might have gone onto win back to back SBs… That was a gaping hole on our DL that we have yet to fill to this day.

I never implied such a thing musccy, as you stated here. Simply, that the Pickett and Woodson signings really helped our team to be as successful as it had been, and we won a SB as a result.
musccy
11 years ago

Don't even talk to me about Cullen Jenkins!!! 😆 Really, that always was a sore spot with me. If Ted ever needed to re-sign one of his own guys, it was him. If we had his numbers from his first two seasons in PHI, we might have gone onto win back to back SBs… That was a gaping hole on our DL that we have yet to fill to this day.

I never implied such a thing musccy, as you stated here. Simply, that the Pickett and Woodson signings really helped our team to be as successful as it had been, and we won a SB as a result.

Originally Posted by: play2win 



No doubt the team missed Cullen after he left, but he has quickly declined also. We could have used him that first year, so he may not be the best example, but my basic point(s) are what Zero said.

FAs are a two way street, not a draft pick. Just because they didn't sign with GB doesn't mean there was no attempt made, and furthermore, for every Cliff Avril and Ryan Pickett, there's an Albert Haynesworth and Joe Johnson. It's easy to look back and see how those moves worked out, but Pickett and Woodson very easily could have tanked as well. The team was fortunate that they both blossomed here in GB.


Zero2Cool
11 years ago
Steven Jackson wanted to go to one and only place, Atlanta. Packers had no chance. I think it's important people understand that fact before blasting the Packers.
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steveishere
11 years ago

So, a "Franchise Player" is not an elite player? 4-Time pro Bowler? He fought through 3 injury plagued seasons at the end of his tenure in OAK, while helping them reach the SB, and they still franchised him…

I don't think it is unreasonable to expect that a player "might" realize career highs after you sign him, like we saw with Woodson, like SEA is seeing with Chris Clemons… our team won't know though if we don't even make the attempt. We'll just continue to be one of the youngest teams in the NFL, and hope that maybe, maybe we catch lightning in a bottle, I'm not going to say "again," but without FA signings like Pickett and Woodson.

Originally Posted by: play2win 



No he wasn't considered an elite player in his FA year. If he was more than 2 teams would have been interested in him at that price tag GB got him for. It's unreasonable to expect to get a FA that will become a hall of famer. I've no problem with people wanting FAs just with people using Woodson as an example of what you can expect in FA.
play2win
11 years ago

No doubt the team missed Cullen after he left, but he has quickly declined also. We could have used him that first year, so he may not be the best example, but my basic point(s) are what Zero said.

FAs are a two way street, not a draft pick. Just because they didn't sign with GB doesn't mean there was no attempt made, and furthermore, for every Cliff Avril and Ryan Pickett, there's an Albert Haynesworth and Joe Johnson. It's easy to look back and see how those moves worked out, but Pickett and Woodson very easily could have tanked as well. The team was fortunate that they both blossomed here in GB.


Originally Posted by: musccy 



Yeah, thanks musccy and QCHuskerFan… I agree with both of you on these points. There are no guarantees, and the signings and trades are difficult to vet and close. Those processes (finding the player, finding the trading partner, adjusting money under the cap, closing the deals, etc.) are tough to pull off, for any GM. Especially, to do so successfully. That is why there are so few trades made, but trades are made.

I just wish we could pull off a couple of good ones, trades or signings that would help improve one or two positions on our team. It would mean all the difference, having a super solid Safety group, or a set of stud ILBs, bookend OTs that are pretty much shut down players to protect Rodgers, etc.

I believe Ted drafts pretty well, and if he applied the same passion for searching out key veteran FAs or trades, and massaged his cap accordingly, maybe we might get another SB win or two while Aaron is still our QB. I question whether that can really happen by drafting alone. That's pretty much it in a nutshell. For me, as a fan, I would prefer he took a few more risks and had a more balanced approach to talent acquisition.
play2win
11 years ago

No he wasn't considered an elite player in his FA year. If he was more than 2 teams would have been interested in him at that price tag GB got him for. It's unreasonable to expect to get a FA that will become a hall of famer. I've no problem with people wanting FAs just with people using Woodson as an example of what you can expect in FA.

Originally Posted by: steveishere 



steve, for God's sakes, no one is saying "we have to sign only prospective HOF Free Agents." Why NOT use Woodson as an example of what a FA can do for your team? IT HAPPENED!!! He was a player brought in as a FA that really worked out well for us, and so was Pickett. What? We can't point to those examples in a discussion? They were too good?
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11 years ago

"Woodson was also in the prime of his career with all kinds of room to grow. We reaped incredible benefits from both signings. Both Saturday and Benson were has-beens, both at the end of their careers, and we saw what that kind of bargain hunting did for us" \

Whether or not you used the word "obvious" is irrelevant, you implied that Woodson, Saturday, and Benson were all clear moves even without the aid of hindsight.

How did Cullen Jenkins, Justin Babin, and Greg Jennings work out for their respective teams? Yes Avril and Bennett worked, but you can paint any picture you want if you cherry pick the success stories and disregard the ones that didn't work.

Originally Posted by: musccy 



and no one is cherry picking the failed FA signings to make their point?
After seeing the same players named time and time again p2w is simply giving you names of FA success stories. I believe it was Zero, among others, who yesterday was asking who the successful FAs were.
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steveishere
11 years ago

steve, for God's sakes, no one is saying "we have to sign only prospective HOF Free Agents." Why NOT use Woodson as an example of what a FA can do for your team? IT HAPPENED!!! He was a player brought in as a FA that really worked out well for us, and so was Pickett. What? We can't point to those examples in a discussion? They were too good?

Originally Posted by: play2win 



I never suggested that people were saying "we have to sign only prospective HOF Free Agents." In fact I specifically said I have no problem with people wanting to sign regular FAs (you ignored that I guess because you were too busy wanting to put words in my mouth as usual). A player with Woodsons quality and price tag is a once in a lifetime deal. You have a problem with people using players like Albert Haynesworth as the anti-FA argument because that doesn't always happen right? Well that is way more common of an occurance than getting a player like Woodson.

Now go off on some rant about how I said something crazy that I didn't actually say like you always do.
play2win
11 years ago

I never suggested that people were saying "we have to sign only prospective HOF Free Agents." In fact I specifically said I have no problem with people wanting to sign regular FAs (you ignored that I guess because you were too busy wanting to put words in my mouth as usual). A player with Woodsons quality and price tag is a once in a lifetime deal. You have a problem with people using players like Albert Haynesworth as the anti-FA argument because that doesn't always happen right? Well that is way more common of an occurance than getting a player like Woodson.

Now go off on some rant about how I said something crazy that I didn't actually say like you always do.

Originally Posted by: steveishere 



Dude, give it a rest.

"It's unreasonable to expect to get a FA that will become a hall of famer." Who said that? You did. No one said they were expecting that. So, get off it.
steveishere
11 years ago

Dude, give it a rest.

Originally Posted by: play2win 



Well don't respond to me if you cannot simply reply to something I actually said or aren't going to add anything useful. If you have to use extreme exaggeration or hyperbole to try and make a point don't bother.
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