MintBaconDrivel
11 years ago

Remember when the Packers actually had a good run defense? It seems like forever ago, but as recently as October, the Packers turned into a brick wall against the likes of Frank Gore, Reggie Bush and others. Those days are long gone now, and there are many reasons why the Packers run defense has gone [...]

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DakotaT
11 years ago
Just watch them. They are winded after 3 plays. Yes, they are too fat, lazy, and out of shape. Raji is way more of a disappointment than Hawk. Hawk gives everything he has out there, just lacks the elite athleticism and power to make him All Pro material. Jolly gets the benefit of the doubt because he is just working his way back.

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steveishere
11 years ago
Jolly may be too fat because he looks like he wears out but Pickett has still been pretty good against the run overall.

Raji doesn't play hard enough to get tired. From the first snap of the game Raji is just going through the motions. I tried to watch him specifically on each play Thursday and he was ridiculously slow off the snap and was getting moved around too easily by single blocks. He looks like he gave up on this season after last years playoff game. He's basically just collecting a pay check and waiting for FA.
Laser Gunns
11 years ago
there is a difference between being big and strong and being fat.

our DL (Datone aside) is fat.

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nerdmann
11 years ago

Just watch them. They are winded after 3 plays. Yes, they are too fat, lazy, and out of shape. Raji is way more of a disappointment than Hawk. Hawk gives everything he has out there, just lacks the elite athleticism and power to make him All Pro material. Jolly gets the benefit of the doubt because he is just working his way back.

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 



They're not going to just suddenly become out of shape. There's gotta be some kind of injury situation going on or something. It's weird.
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DakotaT
11 years ago

They're not going to just suddenly become out of shape. There's gotta be some kind of injury situation going on or something. It's weird.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



Don't kid yourself, they sucked last year too. Raji gave us that one good year in the 2010 SB run. I guess we should be thankful for that. I'd sign Pickett to team/cap friendly deal to let him retire with dignity; but no way has Raji earned a fat payday, and I'd just as soon let him walk and let Daniels and Jolly play his position. Maybe Boyd and Wilson can give us a little burn too.
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nerdmann
11 years ago

Don't kid yourself, they sucked last year too. Raji gave us that one good year in the 2010 SB run. I guess we should be thankful for that. I'd sign Pickett to team/cap friendly deal to let him retire with dignity; but no way has Raji earned a fat payday, and I'd just as soon let him walk and let Daniels and Jolly play his position. Maybe Boyd and Wilson can give us a little burn too.

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They were pretty good for the first half of the season.
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texaspackerbacker
11 years ago
To answer the question, YES they are FAT FAT FAT and still easily pushed around.

The reason our run defense was "good" before? Because when we had Aaron Rodgers playing, teams had to pass more - either playing catch up or just perceiving the need to pass/score more, hence less rushing attempts.
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luigis
11 years ago

They were pretty good for the first half of the season.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



Because with Rodgers taking the lead the other teams had to resort to the passing game.


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DoddPower
11 years ago
Yeah, it's probably time the Packers let Raji go. Mike Daniels, Datone Jones, et al. need to get more playing time. Also, it's usually not incredibly difficult to find a big run-stuffer defensive linemen in the 3-5th rounds of the draft. There were a couple available in that range this past season.

I was a big fan of Raji, but he has really disappointed me. Doesn't seem to have that true passion anymore. He can make plays that only an elite talent could make, but his overall average play brings down his average to just an average player. It's really too bad. If he does leave, however, the Packers will need to find some kind of replacement. At least he's been relatively available.
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