Scott Tolzien accepts blame for turnovers· Page 2

nerdmann
Premier Member

11 years ago

Maybe Tolzien should just bomb it all day.

Originally Posted by: rabidgopher04

If there's 9 in the box, by all means throw it over their heads.

“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”

nerdmann
Premier Member

11 years ago

#12

Well, there is others to blame. On a quick pass the Oline is suppose to keep the defenders hands down. If Bakhtiari had done his job, that ball never should have been Intercepted. On the 3rd INT, pressure got to him and his arm was hit when he tried to throw, which forced him to reset.

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins

Not only that but JPP called that play out in the huddle before it happened. Easy pick six, for which Mike should take at least part of the blame.

“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”

Zero2Cool
Elite Member

11 years ago

#13

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins

Offensive Linemen on pass protection are on their heals, not their toes. So when the DL drops back, you want the OL to chase after him? The LT didn't do anything worth blame here. You have five OL they are supposed to form a pocket.

Maybe I didn't get a good view of the play, but it just looked like Jason Pierre-Paul knew the play, laid off his pass rush, grabbed the ball out of the air and walked into the endzone. That is on the quarterback.

I do not know why so many want to make excuses for a quarterback. Blows my mind.

Yerko
Senior Member

11 years ago

#14

I'm liking Tolzien as a probable future back up. He has the arm for an NFL QB and with this experience under his belt as well as an off-season program, he should be a lot better come next year (if needed, knock on wood).

I am really hoping the Packers continue to play him and start him at Minnesota. He threw three interceptions and you can really only blame him for two. If he settles down after breaking away from the sack late in the game, he could potentially make a better pass. These are things he will become better at through time and practice.

Newhouse should accept some blame on his interceptions since Tolzien was rushed both times by his man unblocked.

PackFanWithTwins
Veteran Member

11 years ago

#15

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool

Normally I would agree. But not on that play. It wasn't just one of many options on that play. That throw was the play. the WR were already engaging in blocks. Bakhtiari didn't need to worry about pass protecting the QB. He didn't have to worry about a bull rush, or speed rush, an inside move or a twist and anything. He had 1 responsibility. Make sure the outside rusher does not get his hands up in the passing lane. Backing up and being on his heels is what allowed JPP to make a play on the ball.

Tolzein did nothing wrong on that play.

The world needs ditch diggers too Danny!!!

DarkaneRules
Veteran Member

11 years ago

#16

It's accountability. You like to see this in a quarterback. We can also expect growing pains with our rookie left tackle. It is what it is.

Circular Arguments: They are a heck of an annoyance

DoddPower
Veteran Member

11 years ago

#17

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins

A QB has to be aware of everything on the field, especially when others aren't doing their job. He needs to be able to read that JPP is in the throwing lane and either try to pump-fake, or dive forward and live another day. Just because someone else doesn't do their job doesn't necessarily mean the play has to turn into a pick six. That type of awareness is what separates good players from great (or possibly even bad from good).

PackFanWithTwins
Veteran Member

11 years ago

#18

Originally Posted by: DoddPower

Rodgers has had the ball batted on plays exactly like this. It is not an awareness issue. It is a pre-snap read play. There is no defender to cover the TE on this play. The QB takes the snap and has his back to the play for a quick drop, turn and throw.

If the delay on the throw, they get flagged for the WR blocking downfield.

The world needs ditch diggers too Danny!!!

Zero2Cool
Elite Member

11 years ago

#19

nerdmann
Premier Member

11 years ago

#20

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool

JPP was more in tune with what they play was than our own guys.

“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”

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