Gaycandybacon
11 years ago

And Tramon isn't going to get "out toughed" by Bolden?

Bolden beat them both at times today.

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I guess you're right, he was all over the field. The matchups were a nightmare on our part though.
texaspackerbacker
11 years ago

What blown replay of the third down. Are you referring to the offsetting personal fouls that should have made it 4th instead of replaying 3rd? Also, if they had blown the whistle for delay like they should have Lacy's fumble never would have happened. I know though, the offense usually get about a half second benefit of the doubt. I've seen it that close a lot of times and it doesn't get called.

They ran the ball 17 times. Do you want them to pass on every single down? Lacy did better than Gore and he showed flashes of what I think we can expect. Against lesser defenses and late in the game if we can wear down the defense I think he will be gold.

I agree that the benching for the half was an overreaction. Hopefully he isn't as bad as Coughlin was last year when Wilson fumbled in game 1. He hardly played the rest of the year. At least Mike McCarthy went back to Lacy. I never understood it when you take your best option at the position out of the game for a single mistake. We will see if he reacts to Ross' mental errors in the return game the way he did to Lacy's fumble. I hope so.

I won't say we should have won but we certainly could have. We played well enough to win but so did the 49ers. We simply made too many mistakes and they capitalized on them. Hopefully the mental ones can be worked out quickly.

Overall I am disappointed of course. I'm extremely frustrated at our pass coverage and third down performance although we did make a few nice stands. I was impressed with the run D and the containment of Kaepernick.

Offensively I think we will be fine. We put up 28 against a damn good defense we just need to act rather than react (score first not score to match them ) but that is on the defense for letting them score in the first place.

Originally Posted by: sschind 



Yeah, that's the "blown replay of third down" I meant; Was there another one hahaha?

I agree about Lacy's fumble. My impression at the time was it should have been blown dead because his forward progress was stopped (which I assume was what you were trying to say hahaha).

No, I don't want them to pass every time, but after the first two or three possessions, which were ruined by running into the line once or twice, they settled into playing the game that has been so successful the past few years - letting Rodgers pass on early downs, maybe setting up the run - which indeed happened for a brief stretch later. Then, they inexplicably started the second half with another wasted possession or two with the same crap of running it into the line. We just don't have an O Line capable of making that work, and the effect of trying it is to diminish the benefit of having an ALL WORLD QB.

Let Lacy get his carries, and try a few more screens and swing passes to him, but DON'T just run him into the fat asses of our defective O Linemen. Set it up with the pass, and get off this silly notion of running to set up the pass.
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steveishere
11 years ago
Kerry Rhodes is starting to look like a better option.

Also based on week 1 I wouldn't be surprised to see Neal challenge Perry for the starting spot down the line.
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11 years ago

Kerry Rhodes is starting to look like a better option.

Originally Posted by: steveishere 



That depends... does he want to play football? is he retired? Haven't heard anything out of him recently... is he looking for a football job?

Another guy that seem interested in playing football (though it'd cost a lot to get him) is Jairus Byrd, who who seems to want to be traded .

Though it's hard to see Ted Thompson coughing up draft picks and cash... a young play maker that possible could fix a big hole in the Packers defense might be interesting. Though already got enough guys that need to be resigned next year.

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11 years ago

That depends... does he want to play football? is he retired? Haven't heard anything out of him recently... is he looking for a football job?

Another guy that seem interested in playing football (though it'd cost a lot to get him) is Jairus Byrd, who who seems to want to be traded .

Though it's hard to see Ted Thompson coughing up draft picks and cash... a young play maker that possible could fix a big hole in the Packers defense might be interesting. Though already got enough guys that need to be resigned next year.

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He's also injured and probably not even in football shape at this point. They also came out and said they weren't looking for a trade. That's a situation I wouldn't even worry about.
buckeyepackfan
11 years ago

It was a perfect loss. I could not be more pleased.

Todays loss will result in a 14 -2 season.

Now.. If the Packers won big today.. It would have resulted in a 10 - 6 season.

The best thing that could have happened to this team is to lose on week one the way they did today.

Think about it, and think deep.







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=d> =d> =d>

I'm not sure of 14-2, but you're right on the money!!!

Someone else mentioned it, the keys to The Packers defeat can easily be adressed and fixed.

Playing on The West Coast, against the team most are picking as "the Best" in The NFL, losing the turnover battle 2-0, and least importantly once again being on the wrong side of a bad call by the refs.

This should have been a 21 point win by The 49rs.

Through it all The Packers came out in the 2nd half tied and at one point lokked like they may just buck the odds, but in the end well its a loss but not all that bad.

Time to move on, bring on The Redskins!!!!!

LET'S!!! GO!!! PACK!!!!!!
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11 years ago

Wow.

I am shocked by some of the negativity.

We played one of the best teams in the league and should have/could have won the game. Our own miscues lost the game (turnovers, offensive penalties, CM3's penalty, boneheaded returns from the end zone).

We had lousy field position all night, starting at/behind the 20 most of the evening. Our D did a good job stuffing the run, shutting down the read option, and containing Krapernick.

Yeah, the D left too many guys wide open down the middle of the field (and that's a consistent problem with Capers' defense--so I'm thinking that's a scheme issue), but even with that we almost beat the 49ers.

I was highly encouraged by the performance in the first game of the season--the penalties & boneheaded returns can be addressed.

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We FAILED.

We beat ourselves, but we can't SAY we beat ourselves, because we do it so often, people will mock us as excuse makers.

FAIL FAIL FAIL.
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I still can't make up my mind about the Capers system. What you say is true, and whether that was a scheme problem or bad play by Jennings and McMillian, I don't know.

The key to me, though, is where would we be without the Capers crap? We just don't seem to have the personnel to go head to head, no scheming and scamming. I think if we were plain vanilla, we'd have no pass rush at all and very little run-stopping ability. And while more zone might seem to mean better coverage, with no pass rush, it wouldn't work.

If you need to scheme scam and scramble by necessity, it's inevitable that something is gonna be open, I guess. Capers just needs to keep 'em guessing and have the openings where they do the least harm.

Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker 



what did we have before capers? sanders ... whom never blitzed the QB and if he did it was an easy read ... the guy was so see through I could guess the rush most of the time from my couch. Capers at least shifts things around and messes with the Oline/qb ... but true - capers doesn't adjust well and something going amiss in the pass defense.
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Yeah, that's the "blown replay of third down" I meant; Was there another one hahaha?

I agree about Lacy's fumble. My impression at the time was it should have been blown dead because his forward progress was stopped (which I assume was what you were trying to say hahaha).

No, I don't want them to pass every time, but after the first two or three possessions, which were ruined by running into the line once or twice, they settled into playing the game that has been so successful the past few years - letting Rodgers pass on early downs, maybe setting up the run - which indeed happened for a brief stretch later. Then, they inexplicably started the second half with another wasted possession or two with the same crap of running it into the line. We just don't have an O Line capable of making that work, and the effect of trying it is to diminish the benefit of having an ALL WORLD QB.

Let Lacy get his carries, and try a few more screens and swing passes to him, but DON'T just run him into the fat asses of our defective O Linemen. Set it up with the pass, and get off this silly notion of running to set up the pass.

Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker 



I just got it. I thought when you said replay you meant like an instant replay and I was trying to recall any of those and not a replaying of the down.

Actually I wasn't referring to a whistle to indicate the stop of forward progress. I was referring to the fact that the snap of the ball came after the play clock had expired. It should have been a delay of game. In either case though you don't see it called. The forward progress thing is rarely used and the offense always seems to get a half second or so delay.

I do see your point on the running game they should try something different than handing it of and running it up the gut. Did they try any draw plays at all? I think Lacy could excel at those.
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11 years ago

The funniest part of this is Wilson just fumbled again. hauhauah

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I saw that this morning can I go back and edit my post

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considering whenever they tried to control the ball they turned it over on downs... Your obsession with it being about stats is just completely fecking stupid and old. You simply have no clue what you are talking about. The difference between the two offenses today was the 49ers had all day to sit in the pocket. Gb had a much smaller window to work with.

Originally Posted by: steveishere 



We weren't trying to pass rush Kaepernick. We were trying to contain him. That was the plan. It worked, for the most part.

We also saw what happens when you leave your D on the field for 40 minutes. They wear down at the end.
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texaspackerbacker
11 years ago

I just got it. I thought when you said replay you meant like an instant replay and I was trying to recall any of those and not a replaying of the down.

Actually I wasn't referring to a whistle to indicate the stop of forward progress. I was referring to the fact that the snap of the ball came after the play clock had expired. It should have been a delay of game. In either case though you don't see it called. The forward progress thing is rarely used and the offense always seems to get a half second or so delay.

I do see your point on the running game they should try something different than handing it of and running it up the gut. Did they try any draw plays at all? I think Lacy could excel at those.

Originally Posted by: sschind 



I didn't notice the thing about the Lacy fumble play being after reaching 0 on the clock. I guess just add that to the collection of screwups that have hurt us. In slight defense of the refs, it seemed like the Niners got the worst of some close calls on Unsportsmanlike. Maybe that was making up hahaha.

That brief flurry of runs in the second half may have included a draw - I don't really recall. I agree, that or any kind of deception to get him even a couple of steps in the open would be great. The thing I was happy about was I didn't know if Lacy had any kind of speed. He showed that yesterday. He will be fine, and the team will be fine that 14-2 the guy mentioned sounds good, although I don't know where the second of the 2 will come from. Frankly, we outplayed the Niners, and if we play them again, the score will reflect it.

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play2win
11 years ago

This Dom Capers defense seems to always have someone open over the middle and no adjustments made to stop it. Remember the '09 Cardinals playoff game? That's what this reminded me of.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



Sad, but true. And, what has been the recurring theme in the middle of our D? For 3 years?

1. No replacement for Nick Collins.

2. AJ Hawk is still there.

3. No upgrade alongside Hawk.

4. Morgan Burnett is injured again and unavailable.

So, that's 2 Safeties we are down, a ILB and Defensive Captain who played his best ball 3 years ago, and a complete void of ILB talent alongside of him. Add to that a DL who is failing to get hime to the QB, and just about anyone would have trouble covering over the middle in this scenario.

I'll add this is not intended as a Hawk basher. Just stating a fact regarding our coverage over the middle.
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considering whenever they tried to control the ball they turned it over on downs... Your obsession with it being about stats is just completely fecking stupid and old. You simply have no clue what you are talking about. The difference between the two offenses today was the 49ers had all day to sit in the pocket. Gb had a much smaller window to work with.

Originally Posted by: steveishere 



Rodgers led fast-paced touchdown drives of 6 plays, 80 yards (1:47); 8 plays, 62 yards (1:16); 7 plays, 69 yards (2:48) and 8 plays, 76 yards (2:30).

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I didn't notice the thing about the Lacy fumble play being after reaching 0 on the clock. I guess just add that to the collection of screwups that have hurt us. In slight defense of the refs, it seemed like the Niners got the worst of some close calls on Unsportsmanlike. Maybe that was making up hahaha.

Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker 



The delay was so close that it was one that never gets called (unlike the one I thought they were going to miss against the 49ers later) One announcer put it like this. We have the opportunity to see the play clock on the screen along with the team so when the clock hits 0 we can tell instantly if the ball has been snapped. The refs have to watch the official clock and when it hits zero they have to look up and see if the ball has been snapped. In that fraction of a second the ball is usually snapped and they don't make the call. Just pay attention to the play clock sometime and you will see what I am talking about. Its kind of like the old do we go on 3 or is it 1,2,3 go.

It just kind of sucked because it would have been one instance where we would have benefited from a delay call.
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11 years ago
A loss sucks but I always try to look at positives if there are any. Luckily, in this game there were a ton of positives.

1. Glad to see Jordy Nelson, Randall Cobb and Aaron Rodgers not missing a single beat after not having little to no work in training camp. This was a big negative to some in that their timing would be off and it clearly was good to go.

2. Aside from one (costly) drop, Finley looked very good. A lot of YAC.

3. Bakhtairi looked decent. He deserves a pat on the back because going up against Aldon Smith or Justin Smith on your first NFL start isn't a small task to handle. He played exceptional and wasn't the worst offensive lineman. Add Barclay to this mix. Bottom line, they both have a lot of upside and should progress as the season moves along.

4. Our defense played nasty against the run. There were multiple times where multiple guys were jumping in on the tackle. There were some great form tackles and one that really pops out is when AJ Hawk sized up Frank Gore for a loss.

5. Lacy shows some promise. The Packers faced a top run defense with a crappy run-blocking offensive line. That is where Lacy will have to work some of his magic and use his strength to gain yards. He will do it to, just so long as the play calling allows for it.


There was plenty of bad in this game as well but I think it can all be worked out.

1. Pass defense was FUGLY. Many things can attribute to this. Lack of rushing the passer and of course the scheme. How many years are we going to have to continue watching guys catch a pass without a single player within 5 yards to make a play? What is going wrong? Is it Capers' play calling or is it the players not running the call properly?
For this game, I am calling it a personnel issue. Some may say Burnett and Hayward wouldn't have made a difference and I think that had they been there, it would have been a huge difference.

2. Offensive line will once again be average. The only remaining softness of the entire team is this unit. "Oh they are a pass blocking offensive line..." So then why is Rodgers always under constant pressure? Time to stop the excuses for these guys. EDS and Lang are below average in both pass and run block and I see no upside to them.
I think someone whispered in the refs ear to watch Sitton. Its very rare to see three penalties get called on a guard in one game...

3. Three and outs. How many were there? TOO MANY.

4. Drops. If the ball hits your hands, catch it. James Jones dropped a ball and became a ghost the rest of the game.

Overall, I was left impressed with the way these guys played. It left me feeling good about the rest of the season.

One more thing...I think it is funny how much people are overreacting to the Matthews hit on Kaepernick. Matthews doesn't have a history of being a dirty player and I think this is all due to his comments he made before the game being blown out of proportion by that idiot coach, Jimmy Harbaugh. Yes, it was a late hit but people are overly exaggerating what happened on that play. Just my thought.
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11 years ago

One more thing...I think it is funny how much people are overreacting to the Matthews hit on Kaepernick. Matthews doesn't have a history of being a dirty player and I think this is all due to his comments he made before the game being blown out of proportion by that idiot coach, Jimmy Harbaugh. Yes, it was a late hit but people are overly exaggerating what happened on that play. Just my thought.

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Yeah, I think it's a huge overreaction, as well. Yes, it was a late hit, but it was at full speed and he left his feet while still in bounds. I'm sure it's very difficult to stop Kaepernick, so things like that are going to happen from time to time. I didn't see it as a big deal, and honestly didn't mind it a whole lot. I'll take a few penalties here and there if the defense plays with a nasty side and more intensity. If that's the case, I think the net gain would be MUCH more than a few 15 yard penalties.
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One more thing...I think it is funny how much people are overreacting to the Matthews hit on Kaepernick. Matthews doesn't have a history of being a dirty player and I think this is all due to his comments he made before the game being blown out of proportion by that idiot coach, Jimmy Harbaugh. Yes, it was a late hit but people are overly exaggerating what happened on that play. Just my thought.

Originally Posted by: Yerko 



I think Matthews was looking for the first opportunity he could get to lay a lick on Kaepernick. I'm not saying he was going to intentionally try to lay him out with a late hit or an illegal hit but he was not going to be afraid to play it very close to the edge. I don't think he was going to let the idea of a personal foul penalty get in the way of a big hit if it could be close.
Zero2Cool
11 years ago

Kerry Rhodes is starting to look like a better option.

Also based on week 1 I wouldn't be surprised to see Neal challenge Perry for the starting spot down the line.

Originally Posted by: steveishere 



I believe Mike Neal started over Nick Perry yesterday.
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11 years ago

I believe Mike Neal started over Nick Perry yesterday.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



Interesting how Perry picked up another sack and strip fumble coming from the right side of the defense. It might be from just playing the Lions twice this season, but he also had a strip sack and a number of pressures (IIRC) vs Baltimore as well. I know he played on that side in college. Is it possible they've just been playing him on the wrong side?
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