play2win
11 years ago
Figure there has to be more to this than Vince Young's athleticism or ability to pick up the system. He looked like he had done an admirable job given only 4 weeks of action in the system.

There has to be something more than just poor mechanics/ball security.
Zero2Cool
11 years ago
Vince Young wasn't that good and didn't show anything special. Yes, he has a stronger arm than Graham Harrell, but so do half of you. Young was slow with decision making and didn't throw his WR open, even on short routes.
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Mucky Tundra
11 years ago

Figure there has to be more to this than Vince Young's athleticism or ability to pick up the system. He looked like he had done an admirable job given only 3 weeks of action in the system.

There has to be more.

Originally Posted by: play2win 



Well, I do recall reading him berating others openly during practices. Specifically, it was the backups trying to make the cut. Might have perceived him crossing the line/screwing up attempts by coaches to coach the players.
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play2win
11 years ago
True. His delivery was very slow and deliberate, easily recognized. I just thought he offered so much more potential.
texaspackerbacker
11 years ago
I'm very pleased with the decisions the Packers made at almost every position. The glaring exception is cutting Vince Young. I can understand not wanting to cut Coleman and risk losing him, but they could have kept 3 QBs. Nobody could adequately replace Aaron Rodgers if he got hurt either short term or long term. However, Young playing a role similar to Kaepernick could have at least given it a shot - that plus the added dimension of a running QB in those very very few circumstances when the O Line just gets so pathetic that even Rodgers has a bad day (I remember a game like that against Detroit a couple of years ago).
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Zero2Cool
11 years ago

I'm very pleased with the decisions the Packers made at almost every position. The glaring exception is cutting Vince Young. I can understand not wanting to cut Coleman and risk losing him, but they could have kept 3 QBs. Nobody could adequately replace Aaron Rodgers if he got hurt either short term or long term. However, Young playing a role similar to Kaepernick could have at least given it a shot - that plus the added dimension of a running QB in those very very few circumstances when the O Line just gets so pathetic that even Rodgers has a bad day (I remember a game like that against Detroit a couple of years ago).

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Who do you cut to keep that 3rd QB though? I think Coleman makes it to practice squad without any issue. I wouldn't be surprised if the Packers are doing some shenanigans here. Cut Coleman after week 1. Toss him to PS. Resign Young and then I believe his contract isn't guaranteed. Saves the Packers money and increases the chances of retaining Coleman.
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11 years ago
That the Packers would want a better backup than Vince Young doesn't surprise me. What does surprise me is that they think, at least in the short run, that B.J. Coleman has shown he is that better backup.

Coleman has shown exactly what since he became a Packer? Okay, so maybe Young showed nothing more than his running ability this preseason. That's still more than Coleman showed.

So we're saying that Coleman's NCAA showing two years ago (that was only enough to garner him a late round pick) is more potential as a fill in for Rodgers than Young's pro winning percentage?

I know this has a lot of Packer fans and journalists talking Matt Flynn return. And that would be an upgrade. But I don't see that happening; I doubt Ted will be able to get him for less than a fourth and probably a third. Maybe a fifth and a top backup. But I don't see Ted spending that much.

If Rodgers goes down for any length of time, the reality is that the Packers are hosed regardless. But to me, Coleman filling in for even 2-3 games scares the crap out of me. Maybe he'll eventually be the next star, but to this point his "potential", based on his action in green/gold to date, seems more of the hope and prayer variety.
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11 years ago

Who do you cut to keep that 3rd QB though? I think Coleman makes it to practice squad without any issue. I wouldn't be surprised if the Packers are doing some shenanigans here. Cut Coleman after week 1. Toss him to PS. Resign Young and then I believe his contract isn't guaranteed. Saves the Packers money and increases the chances of retaining Coleman.

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Sounds good, but ... what if Rodgers goes down early in the season, e.g. in week one? Then to save a few hundred grand, you have the lost the week of continuity in which Young could have had studying the playbook, watching Rodgers, conversation with coaches and teammates.

If Ted Thompson really thinks one week is going to make it that much easier to stash Coleman, tell Coleman he'll get $X greater on the Packers PS than if he signs to be a third stringer somewhere else.

Better to keep Young and try to get someone better, IMO.


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GoPack1984
11 years ago
I'm having a hard time figuring this out. None of the QBs in camp (Harrell, Young, and Coleman) looked good enough to be the no. 2 QB in my opinion. That said Harrell has been the no.2 for the last couple of years and we have come to find out that he probably wasn't the best guy to have in that position. I wouldn't be surprised if Ted Thompson stuck with Coleman as the backup. Like someone else already mentioned, the team is screwed one way or the other without Rodgers as the QB.

Maybe they'll bring in Greg McElroy or re-sign Harrell though neither one would really help.
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texaspackerbacker
11 years ago
I don't know about the possibility of Coleman clearing waivers and making it to the PS, but the fact that they kept him kinda says they thought it was a risk. As for the idea of cutting and then re-signing Young in a couple of weeks, what would be gained? I don't think his previous contract was all that big. As for the badness or unreadiness of either Young or Coleman, with the possible exception of a series or two in the last preseason game, they were behind horribly bad O Line play that didn't allow any hope of a running game and didn't give them any decent time to set up - even against the scrubs of other teams for the most part (Aaron Rodgers might say "welcome to my world"). Young is uniquely qualified to make plays with his feet in that circumstance. I wish (and still hold out slim hope) he would be around to do that - as insurance against injury to Rodgers and as an occasional change of pace.
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Zero2Cool (2h) : We'd have same Division and Conference records. Strength of schedule we edge them
Zero2Cool (2h) : I just checked. What tie breaker?
bboystyle (2h) : yes its possible but unlikely. If we do get the 5th, we face the NFCS winner
Zero2Cool (2h) : Ahh, ok.
bboystyle (2h) : yes due to tie breaker
Zero2Cool (2h) : I mean, unlikely, yes, but mathematically, 5th is possible by what I'm reading.
Zero2Cool (2h) : If Vikings lose out, Packers win out, Packers get 5th, right?
bboystyle (2h) : Minny isnt going to lose out so 5th seed is out of the equation. We are playing for the 6th or 7th seed which makes no difference
Mucky Tundra (3h) : beast, the ad revenue goes to the broadcast company but they gotta pay to air the game on their channel/network
beast (4h) : If we win tonight the game is still relative in terms of 5th, 6th or 7th seed... win and it's 5th or 6th, lose and it's 6th or 7th
beast (4h) : Mucky, I thought the ad revenue went to the broadcasting companies or the NFL, at least not directly
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bboystyle (4h) : i mean game becomes irrelevant if we win tonight. Just a game where we are trying to play spoilers to Vikings chance at the #1 seed
Mucky Tundra (4h) : beast, I would guess ad revenue from more eyes watching tv
Zero2Cool (5h) : I would think it would hurt the home team because people would have to cancel last minute maybe? i dunno
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