Well, now that Aaron's red zone stats have come up, I want to see stats on run/pass % in the red zone.

My guess is we're too dang conservative in the red zone. Aaron has proven he does not turn the ball over. We have one of the best WR sets in the whole freaking league. Let's PASS in the red zone more. Put the ball in Aaron's hands. I trust him. Why doesn't MM? Mike McCarthy 's conservatism is really pissing me off.

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Ok you want to know what i will say is that its just another person with the Rodger goggles on he is a decent qb but yet i like how they say its not any of his fault. I have seen alot of posters doing the same exact thing its always some other part of the teams fault. But yet when you compare rodgers to another qb its always because that qb has a running game or they have a great defense. But like some say it takes 53 guys to win a game and it takes 53 guys to lose a game.


See i didnt even cut Rodgers down.

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Okay, I've discovered you're not as bad as Fred! Haha, +1.

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wpr and I have been saying this for weeks. It makes zero sense to hunker down and run inside the 20 when you have the most accurate, least mistake-prone red-zone quarterback in the league. But we're told that no sane coach would put the ball in the hands of a quarterback like that. I call bullshit, and even if that's true, I think it's unfortunate that NFL coaches have become so tentative. I guess they're more worried about finding ways to absolve themselves of responsibility for close losses than actually winning the games. Say what you want about Gregg Easterbrook, but that happens to be his opinion too.

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So freaking what? Where is the logic on standing stubbornly on some outmoded football philosophy -- "we shouldn't HAVE to pass" -- rather than playing to your strengths and doing what works? Rodgers has tossed 17 touchdowns (68% of his passing TDs) inside the red zone. Obviously that is what works for us. Plus he's run for another 4 TDs, for a total of 21 red-zone TDs -- or 60% of the total TDs scored by the Packers this season.

We've only scored 10 TDs on the ground this year, of which Rodgers himself has punched in 4. I don't understand why McCarthy insists on trying to do something that contributes such a small percentage of our total scoring.

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If you ask me, some of our troubles with short yardage run conversions is the fact that a lot of the time we're giving it to the fullback. I'd much rather give it to a RB or to Rodgers to throw.

Yes, Rodgers has been very, very good in the Redzone. But the Redzone doesn't end 1 yard out. Rodgers has up to around 20 yards to play with. When you get compressed down at the goalline, the window for throws just becomes that much tighter. This is why teams generally run, I would imagine.

What does annoy me are runs on 3rd down and 6 and settling for a field goal. Might as well just kick it on 3rd down.

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Exactly the reason I like coaches like Singletary. He is not afraid to put his balls on the line as a coach, he'll do whatever it takes to get his team ready, fired up and win. He'll even bench a first-round draft pick. I'm not saying he's amazing as a coach, but his demeanor goes a long way in winning games.

We didn't handle adversity too well this year, but this article is dead on. Lady Luck was laughing at us all season (I call it the Madden Curse, but you say to-may-to, I say to-mah-to). And yes, the Bears game was a perfect microcosm of the year. I was saying that on the phone to other Packers fans all night. I don't think there is a single person in this forum who would've bet that Crosby kick was not going to be blocked or bang off an upright or something, nor would we have bet the Bears FG in OT would miss. It's just a real bad break season.

Why couldn't they have just photoshopped a Jets jersey onto Favre?? :lol:

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Ah, I totally agree with everything said here. We are way too conservative.

I believe the Carolina game was a perfect example of this. Tied 28-28 late in the 4th, we had 1st and goal from the 1. Terrible playcalling and we didn't get in. But we made the worst decision when we kicked the field goal instead of going for it. Normally I may not say this, but in this case I knew it was just plain suicide with our brilliant special teams coverage and unstoppable defense vs. the Panthers offense that was rocking us all day. At least go for it, if you don't make it than Carolina gets the ball 99 yards out, and the game is still tied. Instead, I was sure Carolina would just waltz downfield and tie the game with a field goal even with only 2 minutes left.

But it turned out I was wrong, they scored a touchdown instead. (In what, like 3 plays?)

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Too conservative? That's odd because I can recall quite a few games where the coach is blasted for going deep on 1st and 10.

It's amazing people want it both ways when things don't get executed.

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