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IronMan
Veteran Member

16 years ago

Packers are ranked FIRST in the NFL in total penalty yards. 1st!

"MassPackersFan" wrote:

Unfortunately, McCarthy does not think the lack of focus or discipline is a problem. (Yes he actually said that.) "That's just the way we play. " is another gem from McCarthy when asked about the penalties.

"IronMan" wrote:

I've heard him say a number of times that he's ok with the aggressive cover penalties etc. but finds the false start, etc. penalties unacceptable.

Anyway, for a coach to conclude that the problem is focus or discipline is a cop-out, in my opinion. What do you do to address a problem as general as "focus"? Feed the players ginkgo biloba? They all know their jobs.

"RaiderPride" wrote:

A BIG problem this year, IMO, is how long the Frost experiment lasted. Hear me out....

If you are a player on that team, and you see a guy perform horribly every week, with the coaches making excuses for him, would you have ANY reason to fear for your job? If poor play is acceptable for one player, then it is acceptable for everyone.

Had they cut him after a few shitty games, that would have at the very least sent a message to the rest of the team, look, if you don't produce, you are gone. Instead they had too much pride, and Frost hurt the team not only with his play, but bringing down morale as well.

Now again, this is just my opinion; but I strongly believe that EVERYONE should be held to the same standard. And when you start allowing one guy to continually hurt the team every week with no consequences, then it WILL affect the play of others. Players need to have at least a degree of fear for their jobs. And that fear will not be there unless EVERYONE is held accountable.

Nonstopdrivel
Preferred Member

16 years ago

#32

I don't really get the whole "they always get away with it" deal about our defensive backs. I have seen very few no-calls for PI on us this year. Actually I've seen more of other teams DBs getting away with it on our receivers. I think some guy on sports center must have mentioned our DBs being too aggressive at some point and people ran with it like it was a 100% certainty.

"Stevetarded" wrote:

+1 I was wondering when someone would have the courage to speak up and say this. I don't feel I have the expertise to say it myself, since I am not sure I know the difference between a cornerback and a safety, much less as weak-side linebacker and outside linebacker. heh.

MassPackersFan
Member

16 years ago

#33

Packers are ranked FIRST in the NFL in total penalty yards. 1st!

"IronMan" wrote:

"MassPackersFan" wrote:

"IronMan" wrote:

"RaiderPride" wrote:

I still have no clue why they got rid of Ryan. Now that I'm thinking about it, the whole Ryan/Frost fiasco really makes me want Stock to hit the road.

Nonstopdrivel
Preferred Member

16 years ago

#34

Are you saying our special-teams coach's Stock is falling? Ahh-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha . . .

dfosterf
Veteran Member

16 years ago

#35

Stevetarded is right about those offensive penalties. The only thing that irritated me more than the defensive ones were the offensive ones. It started in the first offensive series of our first game. The frustrations mounted to the point that I went on a five thread rant about ZBS...

I really have this sense that our offensive linemen lack the physical tools to "man up" against a too high percentage of the NFL's D-linemen, and I further sense that this could easily be a major contributor to the large number of false start/holding penalties. For about the 100th time this season (est. low, but you get my point), and for about the 100th reason (est. high, but you get my point), I want to wean away from ZBS, mostly because I want some corn-fed linemen that don't have to get an early jump or hold in order to beat the man in front of him. I also blame ZBS for Crosby having that field goal blocked, as our line got "used" yet again.

I am working on a theory that ZBS is the root cause of climate change...stay tuned.

IronMan
Veteran Member

16 years ago

#36

I stand corrected! Prior to November 10th, we were averaging 75 penalty yards per game. Since then we have averaged around 45. While we still lead the league, that is a significant improvement.

PackFanWithTwins
Veteran Member

16 years ago

#37

"dfosterf" wrote:

I would love to see the ZBS gone. I don't like it but I gave it a couple years. It still is not working correctly in GB.

I still say someplayers just commit penalties. Always will and that is that. I posted earlier, look at the difference in penalties between Earl Dotson, Mark Tauscher, and now Moll. Clifton has also been more prone to penalties that Tauscher every year. It is the same coaches when the switches between Right Tackles took place.

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all_about_da_packers
Senior Member

16 years ago

#38

"IronMan" wrote:

Are you sure you're not taking McCarthy's words out of context?

I.E. he referenced being fine with penalties when asked about the penalties his CBs take. He's said that numerous times, that he's fine with Al and Charles getting flagged for being flagged, or some other players, like Jarret Bush on ST, getting flagged because they are aggressive.

Which leads me to my next point, anyone thinking the penalties in general aren't a problem are deluding themselves. Most of our penalties haven't been on Al and Charles. You are right IM in being fed up with the penalties this team has had. I can live with some penalties this team gets (like the one on Pat Lee for Pass Interference) because those come with the territory of bump-and-run scheme we play.

What I can't live with is when a player, like Tony Moll, is flagged three times in one game, and for stupid things like False starts.

I think McCarthy implied he won't stand for penalties when he replaced Moll with Colledge.

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brnt247
Registered

16 years ago

#39

You'll take the defensive back penalties because they get away with it most of the time. Last year I believe we had the most penalties from our DBacks. The penalties on offense and on every single good return we get are what is frustrating. I don't think it's a coaching problem I think it is more of a desperation by the players problem. They want to win so bad and make big plays so bad that they hold and clip to open up the field.

"Stevetarded" wrote:

"brnt247" wrote:

No, I don't give a **** what ESPN says. Our Dbacks get away with pushing the receivers regularly way before the ball is ever thrown. PI isn't the only penalty that defensive backs can commit. Holding and contact after 5 yards, which both occur regularly.

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obi1
Registered

16 years ago

#40

I stand corrected! Prior to November 10th, we were averaging 75 penalty yards per game. Since then we have averaged around 45. While we still lead the league, that is a significant improvement.

"IronMan" wrote:

I find it ironic that when we were committing more penalties, we were winning more!

Statistics... bah, humbug.

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