play2win
11 years ago
Semantics. Whatever. Point is, nearly half of the rushing attempts were in the first half. You made it sound as if they didn't run at all in the first half:

" You don't need a power running game to run the ball when you have a huge lead built by passing. Don't be fooled by looking at stats. The passing game won the SB for the Ravens."

You are ignoring the contributions of a power running game to the Ravens' success in passing during the SB. Admit it. That lead was not built by passing alone.

The Packers offense is NOT just fine if they continue to fail to run the ball more... you admit as much in your own contradiction.

Funny example you point to, in GB's 13 carries against SF in our LOSS.

"But the design is just fine."

I'm not proposing we don't throw the football. That's insane. What I am hoping that they change is a shift in emphasis to more power running to open up our passing game more, and to give our D a blow. Really simple.
QCHuskerFan
11 years ago
Sorry. My bad. I didn't realize when you said "a complete shift to a run oriented power game on offense", you really meant just a shift in emphasis.
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play2win
11 years ago

Sorry. My bad. I didn't realize when you said "a complete shift to a run oriented power game on offense", you really meant just a shift in emphasis.

Originally Posted by: QCHuskerFan 



Dude, we are on the same page.

I'm just hoping Ted can land all the players we will need to make the proper improvements in all of these areas. On the O side, I think we all agree the OL play was suspect, and that we have question marks at LT and C. We also lack that big power back that would help make all of this go.

BTW, I guess I was over emphasizing it a bit, since McCarthy is so emphatically against the need to run... as much as saying so in the press. Maybe he will change his tune a bit after two years of beatings suffered in the playoffs.

On D, we need big DL and S help. Maybe LB too, as Perry is a bit of a question mark, as is Bishop in their return from injury.

That is a lot of improvement to hope for with one draft.
Pack93z
11 years ago

Sorry. My bad. I didn't realize when you said "a complete shift to a run oriented power game on offense", you really meant just a shift in emphasis.

Originally Posted by: QCHuskerFan 



This is the core element that drove lengthy threads.. those pushing for more balance are believed to be advocating a run heavy orientation.. when in reality both sides are very close to visualizing the same thing. Well maybe except for Zombieslayer . [grin1]

Speaking of which.. gets a job and loses a Niner bet.. then disappears. 😉
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QCHuskerFan
11 years ago

That is a lot of improvement to hope for with one draft.

Originally Posted by: play2win 



Cheer up! We could be the Bears and need 4 starting OL in this one draft! And a MLB, S, DT, RB and a QB that doesn't cry.
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play2win
11 years ago

Cheer up! We could be the Bears and need 4 starting OL in this one draft! And a MLB, S, DT, RB and a QB that doesn't cry.

Originally Posted by: QCHuskerFan 



Yeah, no shit, eh?!!! 😆

Really, though, I'm a tad concerned about all these teams loading up for bear, with us re-signing Brad Jones...

Ted plays a tough FA game, and I question his being so rigid with it. But, I do trust the guy.
DoddPower
11 years ago

Yeah, no shit, eh?!!! 😆

Really, though, I'm a tad concerned about all these teams loading up for bear, with us re-signing Brad Jones...

Ted plays a tough FA game, and I question his being so rigid with it. But, I do trust the guy.

Originally Posted by: play2win 



It's not like he's a tight-wad for fun, or for the benefit of himself. He's just doing what he thinks is best for the long-term health of the team. He will keep them competitive and well-managed financially year-after-year. I'm sure he would love to sign some big-time free agents, but if it's not in the numbers, it's just not in the numbers; and he would certainly be one to know. He visits/talks/offers several players contracts, but he has a budget to work under and he stands by it; hence the word budget. His top priority right now is to lock up the most important players on the Packers roster, and perhaps he will have more stability financially moving forward from there.

There are still some free agents available that I think could help the team, even if for only a season or two. Am I the only one that wouldn't mind seeing someone like James Harrison or a pass-rushing specialist brought in under a reasonable contract?

play2win
11 years ago

It's not like he's a tight-wad for fun, or for the benefit of himself. He's just doing what he thinks is best for the long-term health of the team. He will keep them competitive and well-managed financially year-after-year. I'm sure he would love to sign some big-time free agents, but if it's not in the numbers, it's just not in the numbers; and he would certainly be one to know. He visits/talks/offers several players contracts, but he has a budget to work under and he stands by it; hence the word budget. His top priority right now is to lock up the most important players on the Packers roster, and perhaps he will have more stability financially moving forward from there.

There are still some free agents available that I think could help the team, even if for only a season or two. Am I the only one that wouldn't mind seeing someone like James Harrison or a pass-rushing specialist brought in under a reasonable contract?

Originally Posted by: doddpower 



I was thinking the same thing. Harrison.

And I appreciate what you've said here and I agree. I just wonder sometimes.
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