Pack93z
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16 years ago
IMO.. part of the issue with the Packers is no one is kicking the underacheivers in the arse...

But a heck of an example of what it means to the careers of younger players.. Hawk you listening?

Veteran leadership
Thompson or any other general manager that thinks veteran leadership - anywhere on the depth chart - is overrated should talk to Carolina Panthers running back DeAngelo Williams. If it wasn't for Vinny Testaverde's seven-game stint with the team last season, Williams might still be an underachiever.

"I think he's probably impacted my season the most this year than anybody because of the conversation we had before he left," Williams said of the now-retired Testaverde.

"He really left me with some things that really touched me and stayed on my heart, as you can tell from this season."

Williams wouldn't say specifically what Testaverde told with him, but Testaverde informed the Charlotte Observer of the the main thrust of their conversation.

Testaverde, now 45, played his 21st and final season with Carolina.

"When I got there last year, it was the first game at Arizona. I handed the ball off to him, he'd run 10 or 12 yards and put his hand up to come out of the game," Testaverde said.

"After a few weeks, I said, 'You have all the ability to be a great running back, but you need to get in shape and you need not to want to come out of the game.' "

Testaverde, a workout freak himself, told Williams how his former New York Jets teammate Curtis Martin stayed healthy for so long and never wanted to come out of games.

"From what I can tell, he is in much better shape," said Testaverde. "I have to take my hat off to him because he looks phenomenal this year, as well as the rest of the team. I'm happy for him because he's such a great kid."


"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"
Greg C.
16 years ago
That's a good story, and there are many others like it in the NFL. But I don't know if there's a lack of leadership on the Packers, and I don't know how anyone else could know that unless they have inside information. Do you think A.J. Hawk is dogging it? Maybe he is, because he's had a disappointing season. Or maybe he's gutting it out and playing through pain, without admitting how much it's affecting him. He's always struck me as being very passionate about football, so I would guess the latter, but who really knows?
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PackFanWithTwins
16 years ago
I do believe that there is a leadership factor missing. How much of a difference that would have made, I can't tell. But I don't doubt it exists. Last year the team as a whole played out of their minds, and got lucky a couple times.

I was hoping that somebody stepped up and took over that role, but haven't really seen it. With the experience that has been obtained by Rodgers, I hope he can take that role over next year.
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Pack93z
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16 years ago

That's a good story, and there are many others like it in the NFL. But I don't know if there's a lack of leadership on the Packers, and I don't know how anyone else could know that unless they have inside information. Do you think A.J. Hawk is dogging it? Maybe he is, because he's had a disappointing season. Or maybe he's gutting it out and playing through pain, without admitting how much it's affecting him. He's always struck me as being very passionate about football, so I would guess the latter, but who really knows?

"Greg C." wrote:



On Hawk.. this is the second straight year of questionable underachieving play.. if he has been hurt both seasons, then maybe we should be looking closer at him with the "Harrell" eye... albeit if he has been gutting it out he gets a big thumbs up over Justin.

The guy plays stiff and lacks any type of short area quickness.. plays on his heels and isn't attacking, for the monster he was in college he has become more of a field mouse.

On the lack of leadership.. I think it is pretty apparent on Sunday's.. watch the huddles, sidelines or when things start to slide.. especially when things start to slide.. the team looks defeated and no one, I repeat not a freaking one of them calms the team.. neither group.. Defense moreso than offense.. but even on offense Rodgers has a hard time getting this group to even form a decent huddle and look into the game.

They might be the best of friends and get along great as a team, but no one seems to take the lead on this team when things started to go south. IMO, that includes the coaching staff.

Can't see what happens inside the locker room, but on the field on Sunday's.. I see it. Or maybe I want to see it..

Either way.. this team lacks fire and someone has got to take the reins and pull this team back in when things go wrong.. Woodson could be that cat, but he doesn't seem vocal enough on Sundays.
"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"
4PackGirl
16 years ago
i don't know if this was discussed but i truly believe leadership comes from the top - down. mccarthy's the head coach - he needs to fire up the assistants who in turn need to fire up the captains who then fire up the team. it's a mindset that HAS to come from the coaching staff, at least that's what always worked for me.

and please don't say you want the GM to fire up the team cuz yeah that works SO well for jones & the cowgirls, eh?
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