Are we too stuck on "Age" in FA?· Page 2

steveishere
Veteran Member

11 years ago

Lol Jenkins offered a "hometown discount" supposedly before he even hit FA. Based on the way his market was when he actually was a FA I'd say his discount was probably for more than he ended up getting and he was a little off on the amount of interest there was in his services.

Beyond that how can you really think you have any idea what Ted did or didn't do as far as offers or discussions with players? The guy says absolutely nothing about players ever. I think a player could say Ted offered him a hooker to sign and he would just say something like "we don't discuss personnel discussions"

beast
Select Member

11 years ago

#12

As for revisiting Cullen Jenkins end in GB, it went exactly like Woodson, with Ted not saying anything, not making an offer, not telling his player to test the market and get back.... Nothing. That, to me, is irresponsible.

Jenkins never had a chance to make the hometown discount. There were a lot of fans saying we could have afforded him for what he signed for in PHI.

Originally Posted by: play2win

WHAT?!?!? Are you Jenkins agent? Or how do you know that?

Thompson was said to not make James Jones an offer that same year which turned out to be false, it was said about Jennings this year and that has turned out false. And he did it with Clifton.

Packers doesn't offer deals publicly ... but he does offer them.

It's also been rumored the Packers offered Jenkins more than he got with the eagles. But Jenkins turned it down at the time thinking it was too little, only to find out it was his best offer, but when the market went down, Thompson offer went down but still was the best and Jenkins was pissed at the Packers and didn't take it. Just like Jennings, other than Jennings hasn't been reported to be pissed, and don't know if Vikings will go over the Packers offer or not. And no I don't know the rumors are true, but I know Jenkins was pissed at the Packers as there was a couple reports of it, because he thought he should of given him what he wanted.

shield4life
Veteran Member

11 years ago

#13

Cullen Jenkins:

2010 with Packers: 11 games - 18 tackles - 7 sacks
2011 with Eagles: 16 games - 40 tackles - 5.5 sacks
2012 with Eagles: 16 games - 26 tackles - 4 sacks
2013 with Giants: Let's wait and see, doubt it will be better then 2011 season.

We can't just blame for Ted Thompson letting him slip away it's not he hit strides or something with the Eagles.

Glad To Be A Packers Fan.

porky88
Veteran Member

11 years ago

#14

I do agree that people have an attitude about players reaching 30-years-old. Look at the number of veterans Ron Wolf brought in. Aside from White, he traded for Keith Jackson, Eugene Robinson, and signed Sean Jones. I’m sure the ‘96 Packers could overcome the absence of one of those players. However, I could argue they'd have a difficult time winning without all three of them.

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play2win
Senior Member Topic Starter

11 years ago

#15

Justin Bannan could help us as an end. 33 yrs old. 6-3 313.

Casey Hampton could give us a lift we need at NT after playing in all 16 games last season for PIT.

Bigger point is holding to an arbitrary age # as a cut off and eliminating possible chances to improve.

porky, talking about those 96 Packers, I met Santana Dotson two nights ago. Dude looks like he could jump right back in and play!

Zero2Cool
Elite Member

11 years ago

#16

Originally Posted by: shield4life

We can't blame Ted Thompson for letting Cullen Jenkins go, because Jenkins chose to go because the Packers didn't pay him huge before the market was set. This is a common trend with the Packers. Let the market set the price and then they make their offers. I'm not sure why folks continuously wanna point the finger at Thompson when this strategy has been what we see year in year out, lol. Silly people, c'mon!

play2win
Senior Member Topic Starter

11 years ago

#17

I'll explain why, for me:
Because Jenkins was not just a guy. He was an essential part of our pass rush and run D. He was nearly unblockable at the time. Ted should have broken from his tight ass checklist sequence of dealing with FAs about to hit the market, which means no communication, and simply talked to him about it. Make an attempt at getting a deal done. At the very least, let that important player know you want him back, and request a chance to match.

His style of drawing these hard lines and not engaging the player works against him and is off putting. Ted is in charge of this, and this is his system. It is too rigid IMO, and he has a responsibility to make better attempts to retain top talent.

Think Woodson isn't a little pissed about his handling?

Zero2Cool
Elite Member

11 years ago

#18

I'll explain why, for me:
Because he was not just a guy. He was an essential part of our pass rush and run D. He was nearly in lockable at the time. Ted should have broken from his tight ass checklist sequence of dealing with FAs about to hit the market, which means no communication, and simply talked to him about it. Make an attempt at getting a deal done. At the very least, let that important player know you want him back, and request a chance to match.

His style of drawing these hard lines and not engaging the player works against him and is off putting.

Think Woodson isn't a little pissed about his handling?

Originally Posted by: play2win

I get that, but reports were out that they was overpricing himself, big time and when the Packers didn't just lay down and pay his demands, he got bent out of shape. When the market started to set, the Packers actually offered more than the Eagles. Then recently Cullen Jenkins says he never wanted to leave the Packers. You fucking kidding me? You took LESS money to leave!

I don't fault Jenkins for being pissed off and going elsewhere. Not at all. I won't fault him and sure as heck won't fault Ted Thompson. They both did the right thing in their beliefs.

Edit, and I do agree with the premise that it would be nice if Thompson took a little risk here and there on a player and overspend. I remember Chris Canty several years ago when Packers just moved to 3 - 4. I was saying, hey over pay a by a million or two for the guy. Get him here.

Overpaying for a RB, not a chance.

Edit2, Charles Woodson is not pissed. He is hurt that he's not a Packer, but he took it like a man. He's not pissed. He got his ring.

play2win
Senior Member Topic Starter

11 years ago

#19

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool

“Heading into last year, I’ve always been up there and always been a Packer, and I wanted to stay a Packer,” Jenkins said, per Jason Wilde of ESPNMilwaukee.com. “So we approached the team and wanted to get some type of security, some type of longer-term deal before the season so I would know I would be there. It wasn’t about money, it was about security, about trying to see if we could work something out.”

When asked if he would have given the Packers a hometown discount, Jenkins said, “Yeah. That was the thought then. I knew in going to them, I know Green Bay, I know the market, I know how they handle business, and the thought was if we could get something reasonable worked out, I knew I would take less than what I could’ve gotten in free agency. But they never approached me with anything and never got any type of negotiations going. It’s just how the business is. They had a lot of younger guys and felt they could move forward in that direction.”
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/05/05/packers-turned-down-hometown-discount-cullen-jenkins-expects-to-go/

The point is, GB never responded, at all. No conversation, which is truly Ted's MO, as relayed by other players released. Personally, I find that to be too rigid and detrimental to future possibilities for success. I like and appreciate Ted, but this is clearly one of his faults, one that he should change.

steveishere
Veteran Member

11 years ago

#20

Just because Ted doesn't tell YOU what he does with or says to players about their contracts doesn't mean that he does absolutely nothing.

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