Zero2Cool
11 years ago
I just read that Robert Griffin III isn't a pass first QB, yet he has the best completion percentage out of all those mentioned and was fourth in such category in the NFL.
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Gaycandybacon
11 years ago

Blue Leopard, great post. My sentiments exactly. The old way is not exactly the best way.
As for the other post argument that this will be stopped next year. Really? How?

The wildcat was stopped in the season it was implemented. The reason it was stopped was because it was a FLAWED strategy. Put the running back in the QB role and run from there. There's no real threat of pass. It's just a wrinkle in the run game. Ronnie Brown(a running back) or Tebow.

Tebow is not a dynamic runner, and was a halfback running in the QB position. He was a flea flicking QB at best and even though his package was run well in Denver, it made the team one dimensional.

At this point, the Packers are ALSO one dimensional because the only top flight part of the offense is Aaron's passing ability. The run game is not up to par, and Aaron is a good but not ELITE runner at the QB position. The packers need a dynamic running back to complement Aaron at this point to make the offense be multi-dimensional. Aaron's not going to get any faster.

There's no glaring flaw in the READ OPTION play as with the wildcat, if you have the 3 factors: A good passing game, a good running game, and a dynamic running QB.

It is so hard to defend the READ OPTION(not wildcat)part of an offense with a pass first QB with Dynamic running ability because the threat of a good running game, a good passing game, and a super fast QB is too much for a defense to account for. You can't cover ALL of it.
You have to give up something. The packers had to bank on Kaepernick beating them, and he did. They weren't going to lose by passing, or by Frank Gore's running.

This is not something that the NFL defenses will easily solve. This is also not something that will go away because the QBs will injure themselves by being too careless(like RG3).

Russell Wilson, Kaepernick KNOW HOW TO RUN and KNOW HOW TO AVOID CONTACT. They are going to surive and be around.

This is not a fad, or a one hit wonder. This style of quarterback is the evolution of football.
Terry Bradshaw on FOX said it, Tom Jackson on ESPN said it, and many NFL writers said it.

We are witnessing a new style and it's exciting.
Change is not that easy for everyone, I guess...

Originally Posted by: Cal2GreenBay 



I said Tebow build as in he could hold up in that offense because he's such a big guy. As for the Wildcat, whenever it was stopped it was stopped. Idk when, but it didn't last long. I believe that this new offense will be stopped or at least slowed down following this season. Defensive coaches will watch the film on all those formentioned QB's and will adjust to it. I agree it's harder to stop than the wildcat of course. But I could see it being similar to the wildcat not lasting as long in the NFL as much as people think. That's all I'm saying.
Gaycandybacon
11 years ago

I just read that Robert Griffin III isn't a pass first QB, yet he has the best completion percentage out of all those mentioned and was fourth in such category in the NFL.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



I think he's both, like Arod. But his offense dictates he's just a running QB in the eyes of people. And it leads them to believe he's a running QB.
blueleopard
11 years ago

I just read that Robert Griffin III isn't a pass first QB, yet he has the best completion percentage out of all those mentioned and was fourth in such category in the NFL.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



Even if I correct myself, which I will, and say he's pass-first, because he definitely is -- it only fuels the argument that the run-option is pretty much unstoppable at this point in time.
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doddpower
11 years ago

Even if I correct myself, which I will, and say he's pass-first, because he definitely is -- it only fuels the argument that the run-option is pretty much unstoppable at this point in time.

Originally Posted by: blueleopard 



It very well may be, at this point in time. I think the argument is that defenses will catch up, as they always have to everything in the past. And at this point, all I see is three pure pocket passers and one mobile QB on a team that is loaded in every other way also in the championship games. I'm not sure how much can be said about the current situation other than that having a great pocket passer is key and that the 49'ers are a very good team, from top to bottom. Or most importantly, I would say, a great defense.

RainX
11 years ago
Capers will probably get one more year. Injuries aren't an excuse, but no Nick Perry, DJ Smith, or Desmond Bishop the second half of the season didn't exactly help the front seven this year. The overall defense improved quite a bit this year from a year ago which is why Capers gets one more year imo. I think it's clear this defense needs that inside rush or Cullen Jenkins type player. We're seen spurts of it from CJ Wilson, Jerel Worthy, and even Mike Neal this year, but it wasn't consistent enough imo.

I love Woodson and he still has a place on the defense imo, but he'll need to restructure his contract in the off-season to be more cap friendly if he plans to stay. He's been banged up a lot the past few years and missed a significant chunk of the season. Too much so to have that happen again with a guy and such a high cap number. I wouldn't mind cutting or trading AJ Hawk because as "steady" as he's been, the money could be better spent on extensions for Raji and Matthews and giving the reigns to DJ Smith and Desmond Bishop at ILB.

The secondary for the most part has some decent depth and the playing time a lot of the younger guys got was invaluable imo. With a consistent pass rush, this secondary can be as good as it was during the Super Bowl run imo.
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PackFanWithTwins
11 years ago
We have been reloading every year. We have been the youngest or one of the youngest almost every year. It is impossible to bring guys in at every position. We reloaded our secondary last offseason and it is paying off. They got valuable experience this year. We need to improve our Oline, and our front 7 on defense.

If we can improve either the Front 7 on defense or the Oline nearly as much as we improved the Secondary last offseason. We will be in good shape.
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DakotaT
11 years ago

We have been reloading every year. We have been the youngest or one of the youngest almost every year. It is impossible to bring guys in at every position. We reloaded our secondary last offseason and it is paying off. They got valuable experience this year. We need to improve our Oline, and our front 7 on defense.

If we can improve either the Front 7 on defense or the Oline nearly as much as we improved the Secondary last offseason. We will be in good shape.

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins 



The problem with restocking the pond is the position from which we pick every year. San Francisco and Seattle repeatedly picked in the top 10 of each round for nearly a decade to build what they currently have, while we remained competitive and picked in the twenties. There is going to be a difference in blue chip talent on your teams. With the exception of Raji and Hawk, the rest of our team consists of Green Bay draft picks above 20. Is the answer to tank and reload, or remain as competitive as possible, while doing an exceptional job drafting from a disadvantage? Uncle Ted has hit on a lot of picks, but without the infusion of top level talent once in a while - the team suffers. The biggest need of this team is a power running back, to help us control the clock, so our defense is not worn down all the time, and a head coach that doesn't abandon the run when he gets behind. I thought he learned that lesson already.
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gbguy20
11 years ago
I agree we should tank a few seasons so we can be competitive with the niners and seattle.
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Zero2Cool
11 years ago
The Packers are seemingly reloading every year and that lack of maturation and growth within the system is part of the reason for communication failures.

Draft better, or coach'em up better. That is directed more towards the OL than anything. I think the Packers are fairly well coached in most positions.
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