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Cal2GreenBay
Registered Topic Starter

11 years ago

I guess I don't understand this whole read-option fad. The wishbone isn't used as an offense because it is too easily defended in the NFL. What makes this different? We have had these types of QB's in the past as well...McNabb, McNair, Vick, Newton. They come in the league, have a impact first year and their running numbers decline. Then the hits start taking their toll and they realize that they have to become more pocket passers. NFL defenses will figure this out sooner rather than later.

Originally Posted by: K_Buz

You can't generalize that easily.
McNabb was also not a cerebral QB. same for McNair.
newton is not the past. he has the physical tools, just am not convinced on the smarts.

Wilson, Kaepernick and rg3 are different,
Call it a fad all you want, but using that rationale over and over again in this new context is antiquated,

Kaep and Wilson don't look to run first. They look to pass first. And unlike rg3, they don't run and seek contact for extra yards and Risk getting hurt.
They are all cerebral quarterbacks and are different than what we've seen before.

The proof is in front of us,

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buckeyepackfan
Veteran Member

11 years ago

#32

The list of players I fill will not be back next year:
25 Grant, Ryan RB
50 Hawk, A.J. LB
85 Jennings, Greg WR
79 Pickett, Ryan DT
80 Driver, Donald WR
63 Saturday, Jeff C
21 Woodson, Charles DB
88 Finley, Jermichael TE
44 Starks, James RB
32 Benson, Cedric RB

This will once again leave the Packers with little veteran leadership.
(offense)Aaron Rodgers 8yrs,
(defense)Tramon Williams 6yrs
(spc teams)Jarret Bush 7yrs

Packers will be very raw at RB, but Harris,Green, and Brandon Saine(off ir) will be a solid start.

I'm betting Ted gets a RB in 1st or 2rnd of draft.
(you draft guys,any studds available this year)?

O-line, these guys just need to get and stay healthy.
Saturday was a mistake last year, but IMHO with the guys currently on the roster and guys coming off IR, unless there is a superstud available, Ted will once again wait for later rnds to address O-line.

Packers have plenty of talent a LB positions, if they can just get and stay healthy.

Signing Clay is a must,the rest will fall into place.

Just a start, plenty of other positions need to be adressed, just my .02 on these positions.

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yooperfan
Veteran Member

11 years ago

#33

Ted better get busy trading down for more 6th and 7th round picks to fill all those positions.
Oh yeah and a few street signings to fill out the roster will help I'm sure.

Zero2Cool
Elite Member

11 years ago

#34

Ted better get busy trading down for more 6th and 7th round picks to fill all those positions.
Oh yeah and a few street signings to fill out the roster will help I'm sure.

Originally Posted by: yooperfan

When was the last time this happened? 2007 when the team was watered down?

Originally Posted by: buckeyepackfan

Hawk, Pickett, Woodson, Finley and Starks I think will all be back, including Benson.
Grant, Jennings (signs elsewhere), Driver, Saturday will probably retire.

musccy
Veteran Member

11 years ago

#35

When was the last time this happened? 2007 when the team was watered down?

Hawk, Pickett, Woodson, Finley and Starks I think will all be back, including Benson.
Grant, Jennings (signs elsewhere), Driver, Saturday will probably retire.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool

Woodson may have to restructure sooner than later. Too lazy to look but I think his cap # is nearing 10 million next year, otherwise I agree. Hawk is under contract still and is a serviceable option.

DakotaT
Select Member

11 years ago

#36

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool

I think Uncle Ted did that for a couple years out of pure necessity. I don't recall if cutting Hawk would be a cap saving move next year or not, but if it is, he can be replaced by Brad Jones right now - or maybe the Manning kid steps up next year. I agree on Pickett and Finley and hope they Franchise Tag Jennings. Woodson isn't worth his cap number next year, so we might be back to the young guys at safety.

Cal2GreenBay
Registered Topic Starter

11 years ago

#37

Originally Posted by: DakotaT

Also, Aaron is up for a contract extension. If he gets one of those plus hundred million dollar contracts, then expect the ability to retool to be limited. It will resemble Favres prime years where it's all QB and less TEAM

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DakotaT
Select Member

11 years ago

#38

Originally Posted by: Cal2GreenBay

Back then we suffered from an out of control cap situation that Ron Wolf got us into, getting us to two Super Bowls using free agency, and then was succeded by a clueless GM. Aaron has two years left on his contract, and I haven't heard anything about the extension except for fan speculation. I have never heard any squawking out of Rodgers either, but he should be the highest paid QB in the league right now. It's pretty tough to keep being a contender year after year, and that's what I prefer - so maybe we are over-reacting to our ass kicking last night just a little. I still say having Bishop, Perry, and Worthy in there would have made a difference.

play2win
Senior Member

11 years ago

#39

We need to reload or retool?

Seems to me our defense is as abominable as it was all of 2011. So, that's 2 years of ineptitude. We may have been better statistically this year, and we may have sustained some injuries. All teams do. But, we don't look like we even belong on the same field with real contenders.

I think we need to switch out our philosophies both on O and D, as well as much of our personnel.

Go back to a 4-3 D. Maybe change coordinators. Maybe not. McCarthy cannot sit there throwing all game either. We lost every game this year where we did not run 20+ times by our RBs. Without looking it up, I would guess we won every game where we rushed 20-25 attempts. WHAT does this Head Coach not see?

We need OL and DL. We need to face facts that Hawk is slow, and a liability in the passing game. Woodson is also too slow. Walden is not the answer. He only shows up occasionally. Finley is a liability in the run game, a run game we OBVIOUSLY need to be employing. Jennings lost a step. Ty Williams has regressed. Pickett was our best DL this year. We have no one behind the aging vet to give him a rest. Again, two years running. Our DL has been laughable in its lack of game impact, especially against the better teams I the NFL. Much of that I blame on McCarthy's pass happy philosophies on O that continually fail to extend drives and chew up clock. He wears his own D out time and time again.

If Ted is going to keep Rodgers in the Green & Gold, he better insist on more effective protection and more emphasis on the run to protect him. And, he better get the right personnel to make that happen.

Retool across the board.

buckeyepackfan
Veteran Member

11 years ago

#40

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool

Gonna agree with you Zero

I guess I should have looked a little closer before I posted. I was thinking Finley and Mathews were Fa's after 2012 and Ted was going to have to free up a lot of $.

Woody has already said he is open to re-negotiate his contract, that would probably open enough cap space to either tag or sign Jennings.
Hawk could probably do the same to free up more $.

The other fa's in the list below that IMHO need to be addresed are EDS,Sam Shields and Brad Jones.

Greg Jennings(tag or sign)

Need to sign, don't let go
Brad Jones
Evan Dietrich Smith
Sam Shields

Frank Zombo(gone via FA)
Eric Walden(gone via FA)
Robert Francois(gone via FA)

Tom Crabtree(will re-sign)
DuJuan Harris(will re-sign)
Jeremy Ross(will re-sign)
Jarret Boykin(will re-sign)

Donald Driver(retires)
Ryan Grant(not resigned)

Not as bad as I 1st thought, Mathews and Rodgers can wait another year, neither has expressed a desire to have their contract re-negotiated.

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