brnt247
16 years ago

Brnt I was just judging by the teams and how good they will be next year, you can bank on pittsburgh, baltimore, eagles, giants, Tampa will all be strong teams. And gimmie a fricken break people saying Ted Thompson picking up a few playmakers hahahahaha that makes me laugh so hard. And Brnt what makes you think you have so much knowledge of the NFL just because i can look at a team and give an honest opinion about it unlike you. How the hell do you know Rodgers is going to be any good or that this team will be better next year?

"dhazer" wrote:



First of all, when did I even say they would be good? I simply stated that it is downright stupid to try and project records for next season when this season isn't even over. Teams are going to lose or gain players to free agency, injuries, retirement, trades, etc... Looking at the young talent on this team compared to many of the aforementioned teams,(Tampa, Pittsburgh, Philly) it is pretty hard to look at this teams future in a pessimistic fashion. If you truly feel that way then I don't understand why you are even a fan of this team. I understand giving an honest opinion, but I just can't understand how someone who likes this team and watches a majority of their games can think that they are so terrible, unless you are watching games with a personal bias against a player or the team in general.
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Nonstopdrivel
16 years ago
The Buccaneers are NOT consistent winners. Here are their composite records for the past three decades:

2000-2008: 79-69-0 (.534)

1990-1999: 69-95-0 (.421)

1980-1989: 45-108-1 (.295) -- worst record in the NFL!

Overall: 193-272-1 (.414)

Consistent, yes. Consistently bad.
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go.pack.go.
16 years ago

you can bank on pittsburgh, baltimore, eagles, giants, Tampa will all be strong teams.

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:



Is that so?


Team          2007   2006   2005   2004   2003
Baltimore      5-11  13-3    6-10   9-7   10-6
Green Bay     13-3    8-8    4-12  10-6   10-6
New York      10-6*   8-8   11-5    6-10   4-12
Philadelphia   8-8   10-6   11-5   13-3   12-4
Pittsburgh    10-6    8-8   11-5*  15-1    6-10
Tampa Bay      9-7    4-12  11-5    5-11   7-9

*Denotes Superbowl victory

Over the past five years, Baltimore, New York, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh and Tampa Bay are a combined 222-178-0 (.555). In other words, pretty mediocre. By way of comparison, Green Bay is 45-35-0 (.563) over that same stretch. Not much better, but definitely not worse. And given that everyone of those five teams has had AT LEAST one non-winning season in that five-year stretch, your assertion has no standing whatsoever.

Now, just to be fair, I'll include this season's records.

Team          2008   2007   2006   2005   2004   2003
Baltimore     11-2    5-11  13-3    6-10   9-7   10-6
Green Bay      5-8   13-3    8-8    4-12  10-6   10-6
New York      11-2   10-6*   8-8   11-5    6-10   4-12
Philadelphia   7-5    8-8   10-6   11-5   13-3   12-4
Pittsburgh    10-3   10-6    8-8   11-5*  15-1    6-10
Tampa Bay      9-4    9-7    4-12  11-5    5-11   7-9

*Denotes Superbowl victory

Now if we Include this season, the picture changes somewhat. The other five teams' records rise to a combined 270-194-0 (.581) vs. Green Bay's 50-43-1 (.537). But then, you cherry-picked your examples very well; by strange coincidence, they're all having good seasons this year. :-D

But the fact remains: you can't predict anything one season to the next. With these teams alone, we have an example of a team going 6-10 one season and 15-1 the next (Pittsburgh), a team going 13-3 one season and 5-11 the next (Baltimore), and of course, a team going 13-3 one season and starting out 8-5 the next.

You just don't know.

"dhazer" wrote:



No offense, but you can't judge teams by their pasts. You have to look at how good they are this year. Every one of those teams are better than the Packers.
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Nonstopdrivel
16 years ago
But that wasn't his point. His point was that those teams are bankable -- and I showed that they aren't. None of them are predictable year to year.
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JackoPack
16 years ago
ok but my initial post was that why was there no patience and instant gratification fans only when it came to Brett Favre last year? Why is there patience for Ted Thompson and MM but not BF?
don't unnerstand that. can anyone 'spain that to me?

There was no patience with Favre last year by many. My question is why the double standard for TT?

anyone? anyone?

Buehler?
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longtimefan
16 years ago

you can bank on pittsburgh, baltimore, eagles, giants, Tampa will all be strong teams.

"go.pack.go." wrote:



Is that so?


Team          2007   2006   2005   2004   2003
Baltimore      5-11  13-3    6-10   9-7   10-6
Green Bay     13-3    8-8    4-12  10-6   10-6
New York      10-6*   8-8   11-5    6-10   4-12
Philadelphia   8-8   10-6   11-5   13-3   12-4
Pittsburgh    10-6    8-8   11-5*  15-1    6-10
Tampa Bay      9-7    4-12  11-5    5-11   7-9

*Denotes Superbowl victory

Over the past five years, Baltimore, New York, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh and Tampa Bay are a combined 222-178-0 (.555). In other words, pretty mediocre. By way of comparison, Green Bay is 45-35-0 (.563) over that same stretch. Not much better, but definitely not worse. And given that everyone of those five teams has had AT LEAST one non-winning season in that five-year stretch, your assertion has no standing whatsoever.

Now, just to be fair, I'll include this season's records.

Team          2008   2007   2006   2005   2004   2003
Baltimore     11-2    5-11  13-3    6-10   9-7   10-6
Green Bay      5-8   13-3    8-8    4-12  10-6   10-6
New York      11-2   10-6*   8-8   11-5    6-10   4-12
Philadelphia   7-5    8-8   10-6   11-5   13-3   12-4
Pittsburgh    10-3   10-6    8-8   11-5*  15-1    6-10
Tampa Bay      9-4    9-7    4-12  11-5    5-11   7-9

*Denotes Superbowl victory

Now if we Include this season, the picture changes somewhat. The other five teams' records rise to a combined 270-194-0 (.581) vs. Green Bay's 50-43-1 (.537). But then, you cherry-picked your examples very well; by strange coincidence, they're all having good seasons this year. :-D

But the fact remains: you can't predict anything one season to the next. With these teams alone, we have an example of a team going 6-10 one season and 15-1 the next (Pittsburgh), a team going 13-3 one season and 5-11 the next (Baltimore), and of course, a team going 13-3 one season and starting out 8-5 the next.

You just don't know.

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:



No offense, but you can't judge teams by their pasts. You have to look at how good they are this year. Every one of those teams are better than the Packers.

"dhazer" wrote:



Ummmmm

Dh said you can bank on those teams, show us how they are so constant to prove that theory from DH
4PackGirl
16 years ago

ok but my initial post was that why was there no patience and instant gratification fans only when it came to Brett Favre last year? Why is there patience for Ted Thompson and Mike McCarthy but not Brett Favre?
don't unnerstand that. can anyone 'spain that to me?

There was no patience with Favre last year by many. My question is why the double standard for Ted Thompson?

anyone? anyone?

Buehler?

"JackoPack" wrote:



well i'm not sure where you're from jacko but if any player was EVER given "free passes" on a weekly basis from his fans, it'd be brett favre with the packers - me included!!!!
Cheesey
16 years ago

ok but my initial post was that why was there no patience and instant gratification fans only when it came to Brett Favre last year? Why is there patience for Ted Thompson and Mike McCarthy but not Brett Favre?
don't unnerstand that. can anyone 'spain that to me?

There was no patience with Favre last year by many. My question is why the double standard for Ted Thompson?

anyone? anyone?

Buehler?

"JackoPack" wrote:


Maybe the loss of patience for Favre was the fact that we went through the "will he won't he" retire crap for 3 or 4 years already.
I don't think thats being impatient.
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DarkaneRules
16 years ago
I actually agree. The Lions are not entirely awful (the record of course SCREAMS otherwise)... but they have been around in most of these games and just end up losing out in the late part of the game. That is exactly what we have been doing for weeks. I have no idea how the game will unfold.
Circular Arguments: They are a heck of an annoyance
Cheesey
16 years ago
Right now i don't see us beating anyone, Lions included.
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