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Since assuming the lead running back role from Benson in the middle of the Colts game, Green has actually been pretty consistent. He cannot gain yardage when running to the left. On 32 attempts, Green has gained only 44 yards. That’s an average of 1.38 per carry. In two games, he actually averaged less than a yard per carry when running to the left.

Yet, when Green isn’t running to the left he’s much better. Up the middle he averages 5.29 yards per carry and to the right he averages 2.63. Combined, when not running to the left, Green averages 3.73 yards per carry, and has gained 153 yards.

Is Green simply incapable of running to his left? Or is there something schematically wrong with the left side of the Packers line?

Cedric Benson had more luck than Green when running to the left, but not consistently. In week 3 versus the Seahawks, Benson averaged .75 yards per carry to the left. And in week 5 versus the Colts, before getting hurt, Benson averaged 1.6 when running to the left.

The left side of the Packers offensive line is anchored by T.J. Lang and Marshall Newhouse. Newhouse’s play has been up and down this season, and while Lang is an outspoken player on twitter and quickly becoming a fan favorite, perhaps his, and Newhouse’s, play on the line is also to blame for the Packers running problems.


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PackFanWithTwins
12 years ago
I do believe the run game problem is a combination of bad blocking and the scheme not working. This zone scheme hasn't really worked since McCarthy brought it in. Even in its best year, it was very unconsistent with many 0 and 1 yards runs. Only then Grant would blow up for a 60yrd TD which made it look better. Today we are getting the same normal runs, just not breaking the big ones.

It is supposed to be the stick in any back and gain a 1000 yards. Well that worked on Denver because they could block it. When we run to the edges, especially to the left, the defense always beats our line to the point of attack. The biggest single reason I do not like the scheme, is because it is designed to be blocking on the LOS or behind it. Not on the defensive side.

We do not have a finese Oline, we have road grinders. We need to let them get off the ball and drive the dline backwards. We need to get back to playing the run game on their side of the LOS.
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beast
12 years ago


Sitton and Bulaga are the best two run blockers on the team and they're on the same side.
So I don't think it really comes as any surprise the other side isn't doing as well...

I haven't been following the running game too closely but I have noticed the OL has looked better at zone blocking at times compared to other years, though one mistake and the play messed up.

I'm thinking they need to mix up the RBs a little more...

Green in for the spread offense, zone blocking and passing game.

Starks in for the power running and passing game.


Defense will pick up on what type of running goes with which back, but as long as they willing to pass with both in there and Rodgers is passing they still will key the pass more than the run, so they won't know weather it's a pass or run (unless Mike McCarthy starts calling only one of them like he did in the first half of the Seahawks game).
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beast
12 years ago

I do believe the run game problem is a combination of bad blocking and the scheme not working. This zone scheme hasn't really worked since McCarthy brought it in. Even in its best year, it was very unconsistent with many 0 and 1 yards runs. Only then Grant would blow up for a 60yrd TD which made it look better. Today we are getting the same normal runs, just not breaking the big ones.

It is supposed to be the stick in any back and gain a 1000 yards. Well that worked on Denver because they could block it. When we run to the edges, especially to the left, the defense always beats our line to the point of attack. The biggest single reason I do not like the scheme, is because it is designed to be blocking on the LOS or behind it. Not on the defensive side.

We do not have a finese Oline, we have road grinders. We need to let them get off the ball and drive the dline backwards. We need to get back to playing the run game on their side of the LOS.

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins 




It doesn't matter weather it's power or zone, the Packers haven't been able to run with it. Yet zone blocking seems to get most of the blame.

Also there are different types of zone blocking, not all types of zone stay on the LOS. Sitton ran a lot of inside zone in college and he was often times on LBers, and really that's when Lang is at his best, zone where they get to double team and then one gets to move to the second level.

I agree that Sitton and Bulaga are road grinders, maybe D-Smith as well... not so sure about the others. Newhouse has looked finese at times. Lang seems like a tweener with everything, jack of all trades king of one (getting to the second level and getting him some).

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Pack93z
12 years ago
I posted this in 2009... I have more posting back to 2006 upon this site and another that shall not be named.

Our problem starts with Campen himself.. IMO.



This has been a consistent theme since Philben and Campen took the reigns and continued to the pairing of Campen and Fontento.. we look around the roster and see development in almost every other unit on the team.. that alone speaks volumes to me.

That and the fact that we all the lineman we have ran through here since Ted has come to town.. we can't find a solid starting 5?

Something is amiss.. we see that the players have the ability for stretches of time.. lacking consistency to get it done on a week to week basis.

Yes.. I am banging the drum for a change at the units coaching.. something we have been commenting on since 06 and 07.. 06 we had three rookies starting.. I can sort of expect that.

Originally Posted by: Pack93z 




Personally, I feel this is the best talent we have had on the line in some time.. across the board.

They flash at times.. but are far from consistent... that starts with coaching.
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zombieslayer
12 years ago
I agree with Pack93z. 🇹🇹 has done his job in drafting. Let's look at 🇹🇹's drafts:

2005 - 2 picks, neither worked for very long. 🇹🇹 fail.
2006 - 3 picks, 2 of them still in the NFL (on other teams though) and one played until last year. 🇹🇹 win
2007 - 1 pick, played in the NFL until last year on other teams. 🇹🇹 draw
2008 - 2 picks, both in the NFL. One of them still on the team and has been nominated for Pro Bowls before. 🇹🇹 win
2009 - 2 picks, both in the NFL. One of them still on the team. 🇹🇹 win
2010 - 2 picks, both in the NFL. One of them still on the team. 🇹🇹 win
2011 - 2 picks, both in the NFL. One of them still on the team but injured (fluke injury, can't blame Uncle Ted). 🇹🇹 win
2012 - 1 pick but was a 7th rounder and we needed D help more than OL help. However, we did lose our starting C and picked up another who's a future Hall of Famer and still better than average, despite his advanced age.

All in all, looks like 🇹🇹 has done his job. Must put the blame elsewhere.
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Rios39
12 years ago
It seems like we don't run well either left or right. Only good up the middle probably going between saturday and sitton or saturday and lang. Going outside of that we drop backwards.

Starks should be used. At least he has a history of good games and averaged much, much better yards per carry than what we are getting this year. McCarthy is being bull-headed.
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Porforis
12 years ago

It seems like we don't run well either left or right. Only good up the middle probably going between saturday and sitton or saturday and lang. Going outside of that we drop backwards.

Starks should be used. At least he has a history of good games and averaged much, much better yards per carry than what we are getting this year. McCarthy is being bull-headed.

Originally Posted by: Rios39 



Or doesn't want to kill starks within a few games of giving him a full load.
zombieslayer
12 years ago
OK, this part of the article I don't understand. Not the author, but the play selection.

If we're having so much trouble running left, why are half the plays to the left? Why not run more right up the middle and to the right?

In the last two games, 23 of Green’s 42 attempts have been to the left. Despite the poor production, the Packers are running to the left. Until the Packers can find a way to block that side of the line better, no matter who is running the ball, the Packers running game will struggle.



Maybe run 50% up the middle, 25% to the right, and 25% to the left. The middle seems the best. Why not run right up the gut more?

And for the love of God, throw more screens to Green and Cobb. Play to your strengths. Green actually is pretty good in the open field.
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PackFanWithTwins
12 years ago

It doesn't matter weather it's power or zone, the Packers haven't been able to run with it. Yet zone blocking seems to get most of the blame.

Also there are different types of zone blocking, not all types of zone stay on the LOS. Sitton ran a lot of inside zone in college and he was often times on LBers, and really that's when Lang is at his best, zone where they get to double team and then one gets to move to the second level.

I agree that Sitton and Bulaga are road grinders, maybe D-Smith as well... not so sure about the others. Newhouse has looked finese at times. Lang seems like a tweener with everything, jack of all trades king of one (getting to the second level and getting him some).

Originally Posted by: beast 



Well technically every scheme is a zone scheme of some sort. But the zone Mike brought in, the Outside Zone from Denver. We don't block well, and have never blocked well. And it is predominately LOS blocking, hoping for a lane to open up from a cut block or over pursuit of the defense.

There has been a switch to inside zone, with Benson and lately when we do run up the middle not from shotgun.
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