Overcoming adversity · PACKERSHOME

dyeah_gb
Member Topic Starter

12 years ago

Nothing really insightful here. I just wanted to say that I felt the team really excelled today. Refs gave us another shit sandwich and the team could have buckled with everything going wrong. Instead, the team played for 4 quarters and came away with a win [boxing]. Go Pack!

The first principle is that you must not fool yourself, and you are the easiest person to fool - R. Feynman

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dyeah_gb
Member Topic Starter

12 years ago

Originally Posted by: dyeah_gb

Z2C please delete if you can. My drunk ass can't operate an internet forum.

The first principle is that you must not fool yourself, and you are the easiest person to fool - R. Feynman

Pack93z
Select Member

12 years ago

There is something to be said for the topic of the thread in relationship to yesterday.

Simply put the defense, when got the blunt end of the poor calls, started to lose it. Woodson all but going postal on the field was the breaking point. They could have broken down right there..

But they didn't.. Woodson (with a large assist from Shields) managed to stay in the game and calm down. The defense seems to calm down right with it..

Games, calls, plays will not go to plan often.. and occasionally they lace your face with virtual feces.. it is how you handle that adversity that often is forgotten at the end of the day.

This team is being hardened right now.. this will pay dividends as this season plays out.

My opinion, this has that 2010 feeling to the season.. instead of injuries decimating the roster.. it is questionable calls. Those are easier to overcome and provides a natural rally point.

"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"

play2win
Senior Member

12 years ago

It really was remarkable how they persevered. My hat is off to McCarthy and his team for fighting through all the way to the end. The adversity we had witnessed the week before was right back in their faces, unjustly, and they played on. I see these past two weeks as a real bonding point for the team. It will be interesting to see what the effect will be moving forward, with the next 3 games on the road.

wpr
Preferred Member

12 years ago

I hate seemingly getting the short end of the calls game after game. If the calls even out I don't mind the bad ones quite as much.

Getting any one of the 4 bad/non calls in Seattle would have given GB the win.

The holding call on the ultimately miss FG by NO was just enough to give GB the win. Even the penalty against Daniels helped take Hartley out of his routine. I am not saying there wasn't holding Thomas' part but when things are going bad refs tend to let it slid.

As for the non fumble call by the refs, I sort of look to Mike McCarthy for that one. He only gets 2 challenges a game. The coaches protect the timeouts like they are gold but toss the red flag too much. He should have sat on one of the challenges just in case he needed later in the game which he did. The first challenge was on a short incomplete pass to Jordy. it isn't a game breaker. the second on the phantom catch by Graham. That too wasn't a critical play. While it would have brought up 4th down NO was only at the 31. There was a lot of field for them to cover.

Obviously there is no guarantee that holding on to a challenge means there will be a play later in the game worthy of the red flag. But I see the first challenge flag as a meaningless one. Use it as you will. The second one I would only use it it mean getting a turnover or stopping a turnover. If there is less than 5 minutes left in the game then use it as you see fit.

Pack93z
Select Member

12 years ago

As for the non fumble call by the refs, I sort of look to Mike McCarthy for that one. He only gets 2 challenges a game. The coaches protect the timeouts like they are gold but toss the red flag too much. He should have sat on one of the challenges just in case he needed later in the game which he did. The first challenge was on a short incomplete pass to Jordy. it isn't a game breaker. the second on the phantom catch by Graham. That too wasn't a critical play. While it would have brought up 4th down NO was only at the 31. There was a lot of field for them to cover.

Obviously there is no guarantee that holding on to a challenge means there will be a play later in the game worthy of the red flag. But I see the first challenge flag as a meaningless one. Use it as you will. The second one I would only use it it mean getting a turnover or stopping a turnover. If there is less than 5 minutes left in the game then use it as you see fit.

Originally Posted by: wpr

I agree on the first challenge.. that was a poor choice to challenge on based on the play alone.

The second, I think that was a momentum changer type call.. and based on the replays should have been a correct decision. Trying to get the defense off the field. I would have thrown that flag all day long, especially in light of our first challenge.

How they can't get the calls right in the replay booth boggles the mind.

On the Sproles play.. how can the guy behind the play be the one making the decisive call on that play? The actions was blocked from his view.

Whether the Packers manufactured some of the issues themselves without challenges left.. the players on the field still have to deal with the emotions of the ebb and flow of the game.

My opinion is the Packers have experienced two very swinging games that much of the swing was not at the hands of the players themselves.

"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"

DarkaneRules
Veteran Member

12 years ago

I was at the game. It felt like vindication to beat a team and the refs. That was really something to behold. The crowd turned quick after a pair of complete/incomplete passes that both went the other teams way.

There were multiple after the whistle tussles and Woodson got the worst of it. It took two of our players essentially fighting Woodson off to avoid getting penalized ourselves for unsportsmanlike conduct.

Also, there was the touchdown grab for Nelson that the defender continued to make grabs toward after the whistle. It was good to see our guys, particularly Benson, Nelson and Jones step up for us on offense. Rodgers with one good eye was still able to get us the late touchdown drive we needed.

Although we had several breakdowns in coverage (wondering when that will end), I was impressed with the defense overall. The Saints are not easy to defend, and honestly, I think holding them below 30 points is impressive.

Circular Arguments: They are a heck of an annoyance

PackFanWithTwins
Veteran Member

12 years ago

On the Sproles play.. how can the guy behind the play be the one making the decisive call on that play? The actions was blocked from his view.

Originally Posted by: Pack93z

It wasn't the guy behind the play who screwed up that call. It was the side judge on that side that blew the play dead way, way to fast. As soon as I saw and heard him blow the play dead, I knew we were getting screwed.

The world needs ditch diggers too Danny!!!

Pack93z
Select Member

12 years ago

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins

Correct (poorly written on my part).. and the play was away from him. He was shielded from the fumble. He should not have been making that call someone else should have had a better angle.

That said.. you could understand that one. Don't like it but understand it, the official closest to the play was shielded from the play to the ground.

"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"

PackFanWithTwins
Veteran Member

12 years ago

#10

Originally Posted by: Pack93z

Nah, I don't understand that one. they are told not to blow the whistle and let fumbles play out so they can make a call. Because then in can be reversed. Once they blow the whistle it is pretty much shot. How many challenges were left didn't matter because it is a call that couldn't be overturned anyway.

The world needs ditch diggers too Danny!!!

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