Poll Question: Should Roger Goodell award the Packers the win?

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Zero2Cool
12 years ago

I agree they are cowards.

But it is not just a football game and a notch in the standings that is at stake, it should be but it is not.

First, they have the labor issue with the normal officials to finalize.

Second, it would open up Pandora's box to corrections after the fact. They should have stepped in Monday night before the final ruling and got it right, once they failed there, I don't think you can turn back for something that happened on the field. This game was on a final play that decided the game, that is rare. How do you correct other game changing mistakes that happen during play?

Third, and probably the most influential of them all. The gambling angle and the shakeup it would cause there. Make no mistake, the sports world is married to the bookies. Overturning the result would completely alter the sport betting world going forward and it would lessen the play if people had to wait x amount of days before they could collect awaiting final verdict.

So yes, I think they should have admitted the mistake rightfully and fully. Yes they didn't because of fear.

The NFL has integrity issues stemming back to Spygate (burning instead of disclosing the contents of the tapes) and things like the tuck rule. This isn't the first mistake that cost a team a game, it just has become such a focal point because everyone has a reason to be glaring at the performance of the officials with the labor dispute and the sheer amount of questionable calls.

Originally Posted by: Pack93z 



After the replay was 'confirmed' I seen the referee putting on one of those big headsets. I was thinking ... good, this is the commissioner saying 'hey you fucked up, that was an interception...change the ruling to interception' ... or something to that effect. I thought that would have been the right thing to do by the commissioner.

Oh christ, get off the Patriots spying stuff already. Jay Glazer showed some of the tape and its nothing more than you see from a normal broadcast. The problem was it was during the game and its against the rules. Wahh. You love the Patriots like you love QB's ... ugh the bias blocks objectivity. [grin1]


Imagine the millions of dollars lost to the city of Green Bay if this NFC conference loss wipes out a home playoff game for the Packers?
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PackFanWithTwins
12 years ago

I agree they are cowards.

But it is not just a football game and a notch in the standings that is at stake, it should be but it is not.

First, they have the labor issue with the normal officials to finalize.

Second, it would open up Pandora's box to corrections after the fact. They should have stepped in Monday night before the final ruling and got it right, once they failed there, I don't think you can turn back for something that happened on the field. This game was on a final play that decided the game, that is rare. How do you correct other game changing mistakes that happen during play?

Third, and probably the most influential of them all. The gambling angle and the shakeup it would cause there. Make no mistake, the sports world is married to the bookies. Overturning the result would completely alter the sport betting world going forward and it would lessen the play if people had to wait x amount of days before they could collect awaiting final verdict.

So yes, I think they should have admitted the mistake rightfully and fully. Yes they didn't because of fear.

The NFL has integrity issues stemming back to Spygate (burning instead of disclosing the contents of the tapes) and things like the tuck rule. This isn't the first mistake that cost a team a game, it just has become such a focal point because everyone has a reason to be glaring at the performance of the officials with the labor dispute and the sheer amount of questionable calls.

Originally Posted by: Pack93z 



I wasn't just refering to this call and this game. There have been plenty through the years where it was obvious to everybody watching that the wrong call was made or even say the right call was made. But the League always comes out with some PC crap like "We stand behind the call on the field" or some crap like that. Which is not saying the call was wrong or right, just that they don't have the balls to say which.
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Pack93z
12 years ago



Oh christ, get off the Patriots spying stuff already. Jay Glazer showed some of the tape and its nothing more than you see from a normal broadcast. The problem was it was during the game and its against the rules. Wahh. You love the Patriots like you love QB's ... ugh the bias blocks objectivity. [grin1]

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



No I certainly will not get off the spygate stuff already, because the NFL failed in its duty to release the tapes for public viewing.

We can clearly see yet again that the NFL will protect the shield at all costs.. a blind man knows that they got the call wrong in this case, but will not admit to the mistake because a litany of issues surrounding it.

But we are suppose to believe that the tapes contained nothing of importance, but we destroyed just the same? Really? A multi-billion dollar industry that is so PR sensitive in most cases chooses not to clear the air instead destroys the subject matter in question. Resting solely on a statement that there is nothing there, move along. Bullshit.

Give me one logical reason for destroying the tapes?

We are suppose to entrust that Billy boy wasn't using the tapes in game as well? Really? Even if we buy that statement, what about the next meeting?

And no it is not anything more than you can get elsewhere, the cameras were set directly upon the opposing coaches giving signals out. Even wide angle cameras will not give you clear and concise images of all signals coupled with the sets and movements within them.

No.. I think I will hold my thoughts here and no it is not bias. It is the source of the bias, BB continued the practice even after warned. He bent the rules beyond the field of play for an advantage.

I understand why they buried it.. I just don't buy that they have any solid credibility left within the league office. They will spin whatever stands in their ways because they can get away with it.. because we the consumer keep coming back for more.

The world never heard of the tuck rule prior to a bad call on the field where justification was needed to uphold the call. Convenient. The rule book on catching the ball is so vague now that you have to have a PHD in kinetics to interpret the rules.

These are done for a reason.. to provide deniability, lol.

Want me to rant now on the lockout of the players and the BS pulled there lol.

Simply put.. the NFL is going to lay out the story in a manner good for the NFL.
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PackFanWithTwins
12 years ago

No I certainly will not get off the spygate stuff already, because the NFL failed in its duty to release the tapes for public viewing.

We can clearly see yet again that the NFL will protect the shield at all costs.. a blind man knows that they got the call wrong in this case, but will not admit to the mistake because a litany of issues surrounding it.

But we are suppose to believe that the tapes contained nothing of importance, but we destroyed just the same? Really? A multi-billion dollar industry that is so PR sensitive in most cases chooses not to clear the air instead destroys the subject matter in question. Resting solely on a statement that there is nothing there, move along. Bullshit.

Give me one logical reason for destroying the tapes?

We are suppose to entrust that Billy boy wasn't using the tapes in game as well? Really? Even if we buy that statement, what about the next meeting?

Originally Posted by: Pack93z 



Here is where I stand on the spygate tapes. Don't think I have commented on them before here.

Releasing them would be worthless, and show or accomplish nothing. We know taping is legal if not done from illegal places. The purpose of taping is to get footage for future use, which is why it is illegal to be done where the team has immediate access to the film. don't want to be able to break down the signals during the same game.

Them having tapes of signals, does not show how they used those tapes. So we know they have them and they were punished for having them. In order for us to know more, there would need to be proof they used the tapes during the game they were taping. And I don't think they were dumb enough to tape themselves, using the tapes of signals.
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Zero2Cool
12 years ago

New England Patriots coach Bill Belichick was fined the NFL maximum of $500,000 and the Patriots were ordered to pay $250,000 for spying on an opponent's defensive signals.

Commissioner Roger Goodell also ordered the team to give up its first-round draft choice next year if it reaches the playoffs this season, or its second- and third-round picks if it misses the postseason.



The Patriots were fined, their coach was fined and they also had a first round draft selection taken from them. It was against the rules, but most teams have assistant coaches who do the same thing, just without the aide of video. I just don't see why getting so bent out of shape over it. They cheated. They got caught. They served their punishment.

There was nothing to gain by airing the tapes by the NFL except giving other teams other ideas on how to cheat and perhaps get away with it.


The league is extremely arrogant in my opinion. The issue is, we continue to watch, we continue to buy their products and thus ... proving them right that they can do whatever they want. If you want proof of this, look at their official response to the MNF game. Literally over 80% (close to 90%) of everyone polled has said it was a interception, not a touchdown. Does the NFL admit this? Does the NFL acknowledge this? No, because it would give the NFLRA ammo in their financial discussions. Now when the NFLRA brings this up, the NFL can say 'we released our statement and support the playcall as correctly called' and the NFLRA can't say anything much else about it.
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Pack93z
12 years ago


The league is extremely arrogant in my opinion. The issue is, we continue to watch, we continue to buy their products and thus ... proving them right that they can do whatever they want. If you want proof of this, look at their official response to the MNF game. Literally over 80% (close to 90%) of everyone polled has said it was a interception, not a touchdown. Does the NFL admit this? Does the NFL acknowledge this? No, because it would give the NFLRA ammo in their financial discussions. Now when the NFLRA brings this up, the NFL can say 'we released our statement and support the playcall as correctly called' and the NFLRA can't say anything much else about it.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



Agreed.. and stated numerous times.

And that is why I am bent out of shape on it.. because these jackasses are destroying the league with their greed and arrogance time and time again.

They tell us what we see isn't reality, that their brand of vision is reality.

They are trying so hard to protect what they believe is for the good of the integrity of the game, in spite of what we see in front of us. They will bend whatever they want to serve them.

And we take it.

My issue with the Spygate simply boils down to this, that Goodell will tell us that there was nothing there, "routine" stuff only and no competitive advantage was gained by doing so? Really, then why did they spend the money and time doing so? Topped off by lack of transparency of the issue. Yes they were fined.. great. Congrats you fined them but their actions on no impact on the game.. really? Sure.

That is the point, this game in pure sense is a beautiful game.. a dynamic and strategic game. Their job should be easy, making sure the product on the filed is as level and pure as possible, and when not, fix it and disclose the root issues. Instead, they cover the issues with vanilla statements and move on.. pretend you didn't see that.

That is the problem I have had from day one of the spygate deal.. they refused to admit the impact the actions may have had on the outcomes of games.

Yet they want to fly the banner of integrity at every turn... simply put, you cannot have it both ways no matter how good your PR department is.

So that is the reason for the passion and the grudge.. that they, the NFL, just will not be honest with those that watch and fund the game.
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12 years ago



A blown replacement official’s call cost the Packers a victory Monday night.

In light of the settlement between the NFL and regular officials, Commissioner Roger Goodell was asked today what he would say to upset Packers fans, and if there’s any concern that the focus on Monday night’s result will continue throughout the playoff race and wind up affecting the playoff race.

Here was Goodell’s response: “Well anytime you have these controversies they stay with us. We have them in the history of the NFL. There are a lot of calls that are looked back in history. That’s part of sports. That’s part of the NFL. You would again like to try to avoid those and you try to do everything you can to avoid them but they’re going to happen. And they’ll happen in the future. It’s something that I know, the great Packers fans, as frustrated and disappointed as they are in the outcome, they also understand that that’s happened over decades and unfortunately it will happen going into the future.”

Goodell issued a general apology to all NFL fans.

“Sorry to have to put our fans through that,” he said.

“You always have costs for the short term, but you sometimes have to experience that to get to the right place in the long term. And that’s sometimes a painful thing.”

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12 years ago

The NFL's regular officiating crews are back, and Commissioner Roger Goodell has apologized to the fans who fretted about the replacements the last three weeks.

After two days of marathon negotiations -- and mounting frustration across the league -- the NFL and the officials' union announced at midnight Thursday that a tentative eight-year agreement had been reached to end a lockout that began in June. The regular refs' return couldn't have come soon enough for many players, coaches and fans.

"Obviously when you go through something like this, it's painful for everybody," Goodell said on a conference call about 12 hours after the deal was struck. "Most importantly, it's painful for fans. We're sorry to have to put fans through that. Sometimes you have to go through something like that in the short term for the right agreement for the long term."

The deal follows Seattle's chaotic last-second win over Green Bay on Monday night in which the replacement officials struggled. Goodell, who was at the bargaining table Tuesday and Wednesday, said regular officials would work the Browns-Ravens game at Baltimore on Thursday night.

The seven-man crew working the game is led by referee Gene Steratore, a 10-year NFL veteran.

"We are glad to be getting back on the field for this week's games," NFL Referees Association President Scott Green said.

The players' union is happy to have them.

"Our workplace is safer with the return of our professional referees," the NFLPA said in a statement Thursday. "We welcome our fellow union members back on our field."

Plenty of players chimed in, too.

"Never thought I would be excited for the refs to come back to work but it's about time it was definitely necessary!" Cleveland return specialist Josh Cribbs tweeted Thursday morning.

Added Minnesota punter Chris Kluwe: "It was a noble experiment, but I think ultimately a failed experiment, from what we've seen. It'll be good not to have to worry about that when we're on the field. It's good that it won't be a distraction anymore."

Shortly after the news broke, Buffalo running back C.J. Spiller tweeted, "Welcome back REFS."

The tentative deal must be ratified by 51 percent of the union's 121 members. They plan to vote Friday and Saturday in Dallas.

For the Packers, Redskins, Lions and other teams who voiced their displeasure with calls that might have swayed games, the agreement doesn't change their records. But after having replacements for the first three weeks, triggering a wave of outrage that threatened to disrupt the rest of the season, Titans quarterback Matt Hasselbeck probably spoke for his peers by simply echoing Spiller: "Welcome back."

The agreement hinged on working out pension and retirement benefits for the officials, who are part-time employees of the league. The tentative pact calls for their salaries to increase from an average of $149,000 a year in 2011 to $173,000 in 2013, rising to $205,000 by 2019.

Under the proposed deal, the current defined benefit pension plan will remain in place for current officials through the 2016 season or until the official earns 20 years' service. The defined benefit plan will then be frozen.

Retirement benefits will be provided for new hires, and for all officials beginning in 2017, through a defined contribution arrangement. The annual league contribution made on behalf of each game official will begin with an average of more than $18,000 per official and increase to more than $23,000 per official in 2019.

Beginning with the 2013 season, the NFL will have the option to hire a number of officials on a full-time basis to work year round, including on the field. The NFL also will be able to retain additional officials for training and development, and can assign those officials to work games. The number of additional officials will be determined by the league.

"As you know, this has to be ratified and we know very little about it, but we're excited to be back. And ready," referee Ed Hochuli told The Associated Press by telephone. "And I think that's the most important message -- that we're ready."

The longest contract with on-field officials in NFL history was reached with the assistance of two federal mediators.

Replacements have been used both to play and officiate NFL games before. In 1987, the players went on strike and three games were played with replacement players. In 2001, the first week of the regular season was officiated by replacements before a deal was worked out.

One big difference: The replacements 11 years ago generally came from the highest levels of college football. These officials were from lower college divisions or other leagues such as Arena Football.

After Seattle's 14-12 victory against the Packers, their ability to call fast-moving NFL games drew mounting criticism, with ESPN analyst Jon Gruden calling their work "tragic and comical."

The Seahawks beat Green Bay on a desperation pass into the end zone on the final play. Packers safety M.D. Jennings had both hands on the ball in the end zone, and when he fell to the ground in a scrum, both Jennings and Seahawks receiver Golden Tate had their arms on the ball.

The closest official to the play, at the back of the end zone, signaled for the clock to stop, while another official at the sideline ran in and then signaled touchdown.

The NFL said Tuesday that the touchdown pass should not have been overturned -- but acknowledged Tate should have been called for offensive pass interference before the catch. The league also said there was no indisputable evidence to reverse the call made on the field.

That drew even louder howls of disbelief. Some coaches, including Miami's Joe Philbin and Cincinnati's Marvin Lewis, tried to restore some calm by instructing players not to speak publicly on the issue.


Key Terms of Agreement

The NFL and the NFLRA reached an agreement at midnight Thursday. Here's a breakdown of the key terms, as provided in a league-issued statement:

• Eight-year term covering the 2012-19 seasons.

• The current defined benefit pension plan will remain in place for current officials through the 2016 season (or until the official earns 20 years of service). The defined benefit plan will then be frozen.

• Retirement benefits will be provided for new hires, and for all officials beginning in 2017, through a defined contribution arrangement, which will have two elements: an annual league contribution made on behalf of each game official that will begin with an average of more than $18,000 per official and increase to more than $23,000 per official in 2019, and a partial match on any additional contribution that an official makes to his 401(k) account.

• Apart from their benefit package, the game officials' compensation will increase from an average of $149,000 per year in 2011 to $173,000 in 2013, rising to $205,000 by 2019.

• Beginning with the 2013 season, the NFL will have the option of hiring a number of officials on a full-time basis to work year-round, including on the field.

• The NFL will have the option to retain additional officials for training and development purposes, and may assign those additional officials to work NFL games. The number of additional officials will be determined by the NFL.

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12 years ago
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