PackFanWithTwins
12 years ago

I believe it's similar to how the citizens vote for the President, but the President holds the power to be impartial for the citizens, so to speak.

The owners collectively elect a commissioner who will best serve the NFL as an impartial authority who will do what's right.


Roger Goodell locked out the referee's, probably on the urge of the owners to save them money.


The commissioner has the authority to correct mistakes. He chose not to and I believe part of his reasoning for not changing the results (aside from a poor precedent) was because it would shine an even more negative light on the replacement refs.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



Sort of, but not exactly. He is like the CEO of a company, hired by the board of directors, to do what is needed to maximize the revenue. If he does not do what is needed, and doesn't listen to the Board, they will shit can him. And they don't have to have a recall petition to do it.

And Goodell did not lock out the referee's. the Owners locked them out. Goodell doesn't have that power.


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Zero2Cool
12 years ago

And Goodell did not lock out the referee's. the Owners locked them out. Goodell doesn't have that power.

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins 



The owners can't lock out the referee's. They appointed a commissioner to do that for them! It's no different than selecting a CEO or President.

The owners can't change the results of a game, but the commissioner has the authority to do so. They also have owners meetings to change/add rules which needs at least 23 owner votes to pass.

This is NOT absolving the owners of responsibility here. What I've seen from what the owners want, I don't think is wrong. I think the referee's are being greedy because they know how much money the NFL makes.

There's a slice of pie the Owners get and apparently the money the referee's will get is coming out of their pockets. That's why they "voted" (I don't know an actual vote took place) to lockout the referee's. If you want to say that is the owners locking them out, fine, so be it and argue semantics, but bottom line is it was Goodell, the commissioner who did it.

lol the owners ordered the hit ... the commissioner is the hit man! haha


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PackFanWithTwins
12 years ago

The owners can't lock out the referee's. They appointed a commissioner to do that for them! It's no different than selecting a CEO or President.

The owners can't change the results of a game, but the commissioner has the authority to do so. They also have owners meetings to change/add rules which needs at least 23 owner votes to pass.

This is NOT absolving the owners of responsibility here. What I've seen from what the owners want, I don't think is wrong. I think the referee's are being greedy because they know how much money the NFL makes.

There's a slice of pie the Owners get and apparently the money the referee's will get is coming out of their pockets. That's why they "voted" (I don't know an actual vote took place) to lockout the referee's. If you want to say that is the owners locking them out, fine, so be it and argue semantics, but bottom line is it was Goodell, the commissioner who did it.

lol the owners ordered the hit ... the commissioner is the hit man! haha

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



Pretty much what I have been saying. The Commish has to stand up in front of the camera and say, "The League is locking out the Refs". But he can't do that, unless the Owners tell him that is what they want. As we said when I was in the military. You can delegate responsibility not accountability.

Goodell could today, create a perfect set of terms for both the League and the Refs. But unless those two parties agree, it is just ink on paper and worth even less.
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Zero2Cool
12 years ago

Goodell could today, create a perfect set of terms for both the League and the Refs. But unless those two parties agree, it is just ink on paper and worth even less.

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins 



You argue semantics, then you say something like this? lol If they don't agree, how can it be perfect? Duh! šŸ˜› A perfect agreement is a matter of opinion.


I don't know all the details on what the referee's want and what the owners want so I really don't know what good agreement could be established. I did see the referee's want to be paid for the games they've missed which I think is absurd.
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PackFanWithTwins
12 years ago

You argue semantics, then you say something like this? lol If they don't agree, how can it be perfect? Duh! šŸ˜› A perfect agreement is a matter of opinion.


I don't know all the details on what the referee's want and what the owners want so I really don't know what good agreement could be established. I did see the referee's want to be paid for the games they've missed which I think is absurd.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



Not semantics, just a theoretical, to point out, Goodell cannot stop this even though he is the one who gets blamed for not stopping it. He didn't start it even though he is the one who gets the blame. Blaming him is like blaming the negotiator for the Refs.

Personally, I would almost rather go through the year with the guys they have now even though they suck, and get the best of Div1 next year. Only reason they didn't get them for this is because they would not have been guaranteed the season and they had to commit to NCAA.
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PackerTraxx
12 years ago
I heard on a newscast yesterday that one of the things the owners want is full time refs. Which I believe is a good idea. Any one else know about this? The regular refs we have now are part time with mostly some kind of professional full time occupation. So does anybody know what the ramifications are both ways as to these factors?
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Zero2Cool
12 years ago

Not semantics, just a theoretical, to point out, Goodell cannot stop this even though he is the one who gets blamed for not stopping it. He didn't start it even though he is the one who gets the blame. Blaming him is like blaming the negotiator for the Refs.

Personally, I would almost rather go through the year with the guys they have now even though they suck, and get the best of Div1 next year. Only reason they didn't get them for this is because they would not have been guaranteed the season and they had to commit to NCAA.

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins 



oh okay. I haven't blamed Roger Goodell for it so I guess that's where I was off track. I'm faulting for the league not admitting the play was an interception when its clear as day it was. Personally, I take it as a swipe at my intelligence from the league that simply because they say it was the right call that it must be. There's a plethora of video evidence that supports the play was an interception. Yet, they have the audacity to come out and say they agree with the officials in the play being a touchdown?

To be clear, I didn't want the game results changed. I just wanted the league to acknowledge a grotesque mistake was made and offer some assurances that it won't happen again. Their naive response leaves me to assume they are willing to accept such outcomes being dictated by the referee's ... and that bothers me.
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Porforis
12 years ago
Hot air. This is like your boss making you take the fall for management's screwup, then talking about just not showing up anymore and convincing other people to do so. Understandable frustration and I might vent in the same manner, but it ain't gonna happen.
PackerTraxx
12 years ago
I don't understand why they can't get college refs. They can fly high school refs, high school administrators/commissioners, and fired "jamie" league refs in after a Fri. night game. But they can't fly in college refs in after a Sat game. There's no college games on Sunday. There's 100's of college refs in each state/region between BCS, FCS, WAIA, etc.. These guys would have to be better than what is reffing now. I'll bet they would be happy to pick up and extra $5K on Sunday.
Why is Jerry Kramer not in the Hall of Fame?
Since69
12 years ago

I don't understand why they can't get college refs. They can fly high school refs, high school administrators/commissioners, and fired "jamie" league refs in after a Fri. night game. But they can't fly in college refs in after a Sat game. There's no college games on Sunday. There's 100's of college refs in each state/region between BCS, FCS, WAIA, etc.. These guys would have to be better than what is reffing now. I'll bet they would be happy to pick up and extra $5K on Sunday.

Originally Posted by: PackerTraxx 




They can't get college refs because the pro refs' union (the NFLRA) also controls the college refs. And they've let it be known that anyone who crosses the picket line won't have their college gig to go back to once the lockout is over.

College refs did step in the last time the refs went on strike (in 2001?). The BCS refs stepped in and were competent enough that the regular refs weren't missed. It cost the refs a lot of bargaining power, so the NFLRA is making sure it doesn't happen again.
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