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12 years ago
Rodgers seems kind of pedestrian at times during the first two games. Saw this on Bleacher Report . He is doing a little better than I thought he was. That's good news.

Here is a breakdown of his stats through two games in each of the past five seasons in Green Bay:

2012: 52/76 522 yards, 3:2

2011: 55/65 620 yards, 5:0

2010: 38/60 443 yards, 4:2

2009: 38/67 445 yards, 2:0

2008: 42/60, 506 yards, 4:0



there are more numbers for those of you who love to crunch them. enjoy.
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PackFanWithTwins
12 years ago
Our expectations for Rodgers have become, unreasonable. The last 1 1/2 years have been so good, it seems like many expect him to be almost perfect all the time. Reality is, sometimes the ball just doesn't bounce your way. There have been times, when almost any ball thrown was caught. Where defenders were just a bit off on getting a hand to knock down a pass or pick one off.

His Pick against SF. He has made passes like that many times, where the LB just wasn't able to get there, and this last time, they were. It happens. Much of that is why the defense struggled last year compared to the SB year. Look at Woodson. In 2010, when he blitzed from the slot, he almost always got to the QB. Last year, he got blocked on almost every attempt. It is not that Woodson forgot how to blitz, or all of a sudden started to suck, but just that luck swung away at that time.

The world needs ditch diggers too Danny!!!
doddpower
12 years ago

It is not that Woodson forgot how to blitz, or all of a sudden started to suck, but just that luck swung away at that time.

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins 



Or just opposing offensive coordinators adjusting to Capers scheme. Naaah, you're right, gotta all be luck. 🙂

PackFanWithTwins
12 years ago

Or just opposing offensive coordinators adjusting to Capers scheme. Naaah, you're right, gotta all be luck. 🙂

Originally Posted by: doddpower 



No it is mostly luck, or offenses executing better. Woodson's blitzes were nothing new to the NFL. Its not like we haven't seen Slot CB blitz before. So far this year he has had more success at it again. Sometimes things work, sometimes they don't.
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Porforis
12 years ago

No it is mostly luck, or offenses executing better. Woodson's blitzes were nothing new to the NFL. Its not like we haven't seen Slot CB blitz before. So far this year he has had more success at it again. Sometimes things work, sometimes they don't.

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins 



Or the fact that they could afford to have someone blocking Woodson because nobody other than Clay Matthews needed more than a single blocker.
doddpower
12 years ago

No it is mostly luck, or offenses executing better. Woodson's blitzes were nothing new to the NFL. Its not like we haven't seen Slot CB blitz before. So far this year he has had more success at it again. Sometimes things work, sometimes they don't.

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins 




Yeah, I don't think it's "luck" at all, or at least very minimally. It's just a function of teams understanding how Capers and Woodson execute in relation to the entire defense, and the best way to counter their skill sets. The corner blitz has been around forever, but they way in which they are executed and the talent of the folks doing them varies from team to team and player to player. As mentioned, the pressure from other areas also makes a big difference.
PackFanWithTwins
12 years ago

Yeah, I don't think it's "luck" at all, or at least very minimally. It's just a function of teams understanding how Capers and Woodson execute in relation to the entire defense, and the best way to counter their skill sets. The corner blitz has been around forever, but they way in which they are executed and the talent of the folks doing them varies from team to team and player to player. As mentioned, the pressure from other areas also makes a big difference.

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Well, I just consider much of the game luck when it comes to play calls and players on the field. Like the Fake FG. It took the defense to be in the wrong formation (wrong for them) for the play to work. And we were lucky chicago was in that defense. I mean it is not like Slocum knew Chicago was going to line up that way. If they handn't they would have just kicked the FG.


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Zero2Cool
12 years ago

Well, I just consider much of the game luck when it comes to play calls and players on the field. Like the Fake FG. It took the defense to be in the wrong formation (wrong for them) for the play to work. And we were lucky chicago was in that defense. I mean it is not like Slocum knew Chicago was going to line up that way. If they handn't they would have just kicked the FG.

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins 



I wonder what a coach or general manager would have to say about much of the game is luck. I bet they'd quit putting in 18+ hour days really quick!!! lol [grin1]

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zombieslayer
12 years ago

Well, I just consider much of the game luck when it comes to play calls and players on the field. Like the Fake FG. It took the defense to be in the wrong formation (wrong for them) for the play to work. And we were lucky chicago was in that defense. I mean it is not like Slocum knew Chicago was going to line up that way. If they handn't they would have just kicked the FG.

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins 



I see where you're coming from.

The other team dropping a crucial first down pass for instance is game luck. It happens.

Or, the other team missing the potentially game winning field goal.

Yes, there is luck in any sport. Just like there's luck in life.
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Pack93z
12 years ago

Well, I just consider much of the game luck when it comes to play calls and players on the field. Like the Fake FG. It took the defense to be in the wrong formation (wrong for them) for the play to work. And we were lucky chicago was in that defense. I mean it is not like Slocum knew Chicago was going to line up that way. If they handn't they would have just kicked the FG.

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins 



I guess I am lost with the analogy.. the Fake Field goal. That play was schemed precisely on what they had seen on tape, the Bears overloading one side of the formation.. they got to the line, seen the formation and proceeded with the fake. Bears alter that formation.. the Packers probably burn a TO or just kick the FG.

So no.. I don't think it to be luck alone. It was a predictive call in which the Packers increased their chances with preparation ahead. Excellent blocking by Sitton and crew..

But yes, there was an element of luck involved.. all plays have luck to some degree.

But it is what you do to improve your odds that is the key.. in other words, making your own good luck.


Now the part about our expectations being to high.. I concur with 100%.

But I also think the replacement refs and their impact in passing game penalties, which has brought some teeth back into the defense is helping as well, especially with option based routes like we have. A tug of the jersey here.. a slight bump there, and the reads and timing become slightly off.

I think that is playing into some of the offensive numbers for us being down and the brand of passing game we have developed.
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