nerdmann
12 years ago

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I don't really consider this Packer team "more well rounded". I think the pass offense is better, though it's close. I think that the 1996 run offense was better than this one. As for defense, it depends on whether one thinks 2010 or 2011 iterations are closer to the reality today. And special teams are about even.

That said, I do think this team has the potential to do more. And I think the reason is Rodgers style.

It reminds me, sort of, of my youth, when we used to debate Starr v. Unitas. Like Unitas, Favre is a Hall of Famer. You can't deny the greatness of either (or at least I can't). But Rodgers to me has an undefinable something, something akin to what Starr had and what, IMO, Unitas did not.

To me, it isn't about Favre's willingness to risk all and sometimes look like a complete dumbass. It's more that there's something intangible Rodgers has that I don't remember ever seeing with Favre.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, I'd take Starr in his prime over either one in theirs, stats notwithstanding and Starr's own humble opinion notwithstanding. But other than Starr in *his prime (and perhaps Otto Graham, who I never saw and so leave out of this discussion), there is no other quarterback in NFL history than I'd rather have right now than Rodgers. None.

He's not in the Hall of Fame yet by a long shot. But I believe that, barring serious injury, he will be.

Originally Posted by: wade 



Holmgren's "running game" was based on screens and short passing. "To us, those are running place," he used to say.

I do like Levens in his prime and I love Edgar Bennet, but I like our guys right now at least as much.

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12 years ago

Wrong! Brett Favre is not even eligible for the Hall of Fame yet!!! Johnny Unitas is already in the Hall of Fame. You check my source by clicking this link  if you don't believe me.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



Picky, picky, picky.


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Zero2Cool
12 years ago

Picky, picky, picky.

Originally Posted by: wade 


Nothing picky about it. Annoys the crap out of me when people give awards before actually achieved. It's just stupid and dilludes the actual achievement when/if achieved officially. Is it so hard for announcers, commentators to say "future hall of famer", no. But its pure damn laziness. No one much cares about being accurate anymore. Let's sensationalize EVERYTHING!!! Ugh!!!!


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Porforis
12 years ago
Don't you mean "when people give awards before they've been awarded"? Favre's career is over, we know what is on the field career looks like when all is said and done and hopefully we've seen the highs and lows of what he was off of the field. There's no guarantees until he has the award, but it's a lot more valid to call Favre a hall of fame quarterback by comparing his career as a whole to other quarterbacks of that era and other eras who made their way in, than Rodgers who is hopefully only a fraction of the way through an incredible career. With the records Favre set and his ring, and what he meant for the NFL, I would be supremely shocked if he didn't make it in.

In summary, no there's no guarantee he'll make it in. But it'd be ridiculous if he didn't and people are going to talk about things they see as inevitable.
Zero2Cool
12 years ago

Don't you mean "when people give awards before they've been awarded"? Favre's career is over, we know what is on the field career looks like when all is said and done and hopefully we've seen the highs and lows of what he was off of the field. There's no guarantees until he has the award, but it's a lot more valid to call Favre a hall of fame quarterback by comparing his career as a whole to other quarterbacks of that era and other eras who made their way in, than Rodgers who is hopefully only a fraction of the way through an incredible career. With the records Favre set and his ring, and what he meant for the NFL, I would be supremely shocked if he didn't make it in.

In summary, no there's no guarantee he'll make it in. But it'd be ridiculous if he didn't and people are going to talk about things they see as inevitable.

Originally Posted by: Porforis 



I meant exactly what I said and in exactly the context I said it. The award is not achieved until given. It's pretty clear. He's not listed as a Hall of Fame player, because he's not in the Hall of Fame. I disdain for this also stretches into every damn kid getting a ribbon or trophy for 'participation'. Hey you tried while you sat on your ass picking your nose. You deserve the same recognition as the kids who busted their ass off! Yeah, great message to convey.

I would be shocked if Brett Favre didn't make it into the HoF. I had this same dispute with Barry Sanders. Everyone wanted to call him a HoF player before he was even retired! WTF! Why does this damn society jump the gun on shit so much? Is it really that hard to be precise, to be accurate and god forbid take some fucking pride in your work? After all, it is YOUR name associated to it. ARGHHHHH.
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dhazer
12 years ago

I meant exactly what I said and in exactly the context I said it. The award is not achieved until given. It's pretty clear. He's not listed as a Hall of Fame player, because he's not in the Hall of Fame. I disdain for this also stretches into every damn kid getting a ribbon or trophy for 'participation'. Hey you tried while you sat on your ass picking your nose. You deserve the same recognition as the kids who busted their ass off! Yeah, great message to convey.

I would be shocked if Brett Favre didn't make it into the HoF. I had this same dispute with Barry Sanders. Everyone wanted to call him a HoF player before he was even retired! WTF! Why does this damn society jump the gun on shit so much? Is it really that hard to be precise, to be accurate and god forbid take some fucking pride in your work? After all, it is YOUR name associated to it. ARGHHHHH.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 




Holy shit I think Kevin has become the old me and always looking for an argument lol.


Just Imagine this for the next 6-9 years. What a ride it will be 🙂 (PS, Zero should charge for this)
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Zero2Cool
12 years ago

Holy shit I think Kevin has become the old me and always looking for an argument lol.

Originally Posted by: dhazer 



Oh I appreciate the attempt at honoring me, but I seek accuracy whereas you ... well shit no one knows what you seek except being a contrarian, lol.
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DakotaT
12 years ago
All I know is that some of you need some release, badly. When the F does training camp start anyway?
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gbguy20
12 years ago

All I know is that some of you need some release, badly. When the F does training camp start anyway?

Originally Posted by: Dakotat 



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nyrpack
12 years ago

I'd say he was the most exciting because you didn't know if it was a game winning TD he'd throw, or a game costing INT he'd throw. I am probably a tad bias when I say Barry Sanders was the most fun to watch.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



sanders was the best ive seen, i go back to the early 70s, only knock is i feel he got out way too early careerwise !!
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