Greatest Packers player ever· Page 3

buckeyepackfan
Veteran Member

12 years ago

I'd say for about 5 years he played some of the best football in team history. lol

I just don't like him as a playoff QB.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann

Considering your complete bias and hatred for the man, I wouldn't expect any other type of statement from you.

So what happens if for some unexplainable reason Aaron Rodgers never leads The Packers to another SB win?

Will you call him a choker and turn on him as well?

To look at it through your jaded glasses, one could say that Aaron Rodgers has had 3 chances already and has choked away 2 of them.

He fumbled away the loss against Arizona and he fumbled away the loss last year against The Giants.

I don't want to hear that it was somebody elses fault, Aaron Rodgers was and is the QB, just like Brett Favre was the QB, they either won it all or they didn't.

I was addicted to The Hokey Pokey, but I turned myself around!

DakotaT
Select Member

12 years ago

#22

Originally Posted by: buckeyepackfan

4th and 26 - the absolute worst interception in the history of the NFL playoffs.

Favre's meltdown in St. Louis was way worse than last years Giants loss.

Zero2Cool
Elite Member Topic Starter

12 years ago

#23

Originally Posted by: buckeyepackfan

You say you don't want to hear it was someone else's fault, because you know you're ass wrong what you're saying and you don't want anyone pointing it out. Unreal you put last seasons loss on Rodgers, pretty much sums up your bias.

2001 - The Rams picked off six passes by Brett Favre, returning three for scores. That's 21 points he gave them and three extra offensive possessions. "I could have thrown eight had we gotten the ball back. I was going to keep chucking." said Brett Favre after the game.

2003 - Brett Favre threw away Green Bay's chance at another Super Bowl with a desperate heave in overtime against the Eagles.

2007 - Brett threw the interception that was quickly turned into the game winning FG by the Giants.

2009 - Aaron Rodgers failed to recognize the blitz in the Cardinals game, but keep in mind, his offense put up over 40 points. The offense didn't fail, the defense did.

2011 - The fumble against the Giants wasn't why the Packers lost, that's an ignorant stretch to blame the QB if I ever heard one.

Brett Favre won more games than he lost, but in the playoffs, its well documented he was less than stellar. He's the opposite of Eli Manning who somehow turns into a fricking machine in the playoffs.

buckeyepackfan
Veteran Member

12 years ago

#24

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool

Zero,

You really think I am blaming Aaron Rodgers? Re-read my post.

You as well as anyone knows football is the ultimate team game(from your previous posts, I do believe you played the game at level higher than high school). Not one person is ever to blame.

For nerdman to call Brett Favre a "choker" is absurd and you know it.

I simply posted who I thought were The Greatest Packers, nerdman turns my post into a chance to rip on Brett Favre, just like he does anytime he gets the chance.

Once again a thread is hijacked by a Brett Favre "hater", because god forbid anyone acknowledges that Brett Favre played some pretty good football while in Green bay.

I know it wasn't Aaron Rodgers fault for either of those losses, The Cardinals and The Giants were just the better team that day, just like The Giants were the better team in 2007.

I was addicted to The Hokey Pokey, but I turned myself around!

Zero2Cool
Elite Member Topic Starter

12 years ago

#25

I don't think I'd classify Brett Favre as a choker, but there's no question he cost the Packers a few games in the post season. And he won some games. It's a team game, but the QB is most heralded because they can control the outcome more than any other position, other than perhaps Kicker if it comes down to it.

People loved watching Brett because you didn't know if he was going to have heroics or cost the team the game. He was gunslinger on the field. A gambler. Sometimes he won, sometimes he lost.

nerdmann
Premier Member

12 years ago

#26

I was actually calling for them to bench Favre in the '07 NFCC game against the Giants.

I was yelling at the tv: TOO COLD FOR YOU BRETT? WHY DON'T YOU GO SIT IN THE LOCKER ROOM AND WARM UP! So it's not because of what transpired when he intentionally and with malice attempted to destroy the franchise.

Fact is, Brett wasn't what you'd call a "clutch" QB. He was an adrenaline guy. Thoughout the 90s we always had to play the Cowboys in Dallas. Remember the infamous "crown" in the middle of the field? Brett was always throwing the ball over guys' heads. On screens too. In those days Brett was always wild until he got a solid forearm to the chops, then he'd settle down.

When it comes to clutch situations, you don't necessarily want that adrenaline guy. You want Bart Starr. Joe Montana. Aaron Rodgers. You want a guy with ice in his veins.

“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”

Dexter_Sinister
Registered

12 years ago

#27

In 8 of 10 playoff runs, Favre personally choked, played poorly or tossed up a game killing duck.

'93 playoff game against Dallas, 2 picks and a fumble lost.

'95 in the middle of a great NFC Championship game where the Packers were matching the Cowboys blow for blow, he was driving to take the lead back in the 4th quarter. He threw a bad pass into the chest of a DB who set up a score by the Cowboys. Giving them a 2 score lead. After which a suddenly ineffective Favre failed to complete a pass, then never got the ball back.

'98 playoff game against the 49er had a 79.7 rating with 57% completions and threw 2 picks in a 3 point loss.

'01 The 6 interception game vs the Rams, Favre threw 3 pick 6s and another one returned to inside the 5. Essentially giving the Rams the margin of victory by handing them 28 points.

'02 Packers first home playoff loss to the Falcons as Favre turned the game over in the second half with a pick and a
lost fumble. He had 47.6% completions and a 54.4 rating

'03 The 4th and 26 game, Favre couldn't move the ball in spite of over 200 yards by the running backs, 7 sacks by the D and 2 forced turnovers. One more yard and the ball never goes back to McNabb. Ending in an OT pick.

'04 he threw 4 picks to the 8-8 MN Vikings and 54.4 rating

'07 Lame duck in the Giants game after a whole game of looking like an old man in the cold. 70.7 rating, 2 picks and 54.3% completions..

The '96 Super Bowl was pretty much 2 passes to WRs that ran about 80 yards after the catchs and then Favre getting nothing down field to his WRs after about 20 minutes into the game. He wasn't needed to step up because of the D and ST, so they won.

The '97 Super Bowl, Favre got the ball back with time and failed to complete a pass. I wouldn't say he lost the game, played poorly or anything other than he didn't step up like Starr would have.

His come from behind wins are way over stated. He had the most opportunities by a long shot. If he were just average at comebacks, he would easily lead the league. But since he was only about 30% successful, he actually blew more chances than he won. By a wide margin.

Bart Starr wouldn't fail to show up huge in the playoffs. He had the highest post season rating in the history of the league until Rodgers beat it. If you adjust for the years they played in. Starr was the best by a wide margin.

I want to go out like my Grandpa did. Peacefully in his sleep.
Not screaming in terror like his passengers.

dhazer
Veteran Member

12 years ago

#28

Way to go Dex I want to see if I can play your game

93 and 95 teams got beat by a dynasty in the Cowboys you know the ones that won 3 Super Bowls in 4 years.

98 playoff game against San Fran let's see you forgot the no fumble called against Rice and the defense giving up a last second TD to Owens.

01 I will give you but what did we have for weapons that year oh ya we had Billy Schroeder and Freeman going against the greatest show on turf.

02 Vick killed us with his running and the blocked punt was all on Favre.

03 That team was over achievers that won on emotion and you even said it 4th and 26th and needing 1 more yard with 200 yards rushing. Before halftime we are kept out of the endzone on a 4th and 1 at the 1. And ofcourse the choke job by the defense on 4-26th. But yes your right it was Favre that choked.

04 Minnesota quarterback Daunte Culpepper killed the Packers in every way possible, finishing with a superb 137.1 passer rating and throwing four touchdown passes and no interceptions. He pounced on the Packers’ mishaps and coverage breakdowns that have plagued Slowik’s defense all season.

yes that was Favre's fault seeing he lost his only threat in Walker in the 3rd quarter.

07 Giants game, ya we couldn't run the ball and going against an awesome defense that shut down the record breaking Pats in the Super Bowl. You forget the Giants missed 2 fgs and we had that awesome running game which had 28 yards for the game.

See your hatred for Favre makes you blind to other parts of the game, Yes Favre was at fault in those losses as was everyone on that team.

But yet your saying Rodgers didn't do anything wrong in his 2 playoff losses isn't really fair. The 2 playoff losses were really on the defense but Rodgers and the offense had parts in it.

Now lets get back on topic

Just Imagine this for the next 6-9 years. What a ride it will be 🙂 (PS, Zero should charge for this)

Zero2Cool
Elite Member Topic Starter

12 years ago

#29

Holy dhazer excuses Batman!

I'm gonna have to stick with Don Hutson as the greatest Packers player of all time.

wpr
Preferred Member

12 years ago

#30

I was going to say Favre did throw 6 picks in 01. But right or wrong there is no doubt he felt the only way the win the game is if he did the impossible. Let's face it most likely they would have lost even if he "only" threw 2. it wasn't so much him choking as much as it was him trying to carry the team instead of being one of the 22 (33 with ST).

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