Wade
  • Wade
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13 years ago

Thank you. Obviously, that's where most of my time goes. Just been busy between school and work on the side of that...



...til I lost my job, freeing up some time to sproud my crap over PackersHome again.

Euro Cup was well awful, getting knocked out like that... Imagine the Packers going 1-7 next year, getting dropped out, then not being able to play for another 2 years again.

Originally Posted by: Rockmolder 



Sorry to hear about the lost job.


And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.
Romans 12:2 (NKJV)
Wade
  • Wade
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13 years ago

Calling plays today is not the same as it was in the 60s. The playbook is denser now. I'd argue that a QB today probably knows more audibles (if given the responsibility) than a QB in the 60s did plays.

Originally Posted by: porky88 



No doubt about this.

But I also have no doubt that Starr could handle those playbooks mentally, and still call the plays. There's nothing mentally that P*yton M*nning could do in regard to keeping that playbook in mind hat Starr couldn't do, and do better.

IMO, there are only two possible things that might limit Starr's ability to excel in today's NFL.

One might be his arm strength. He didn't have today's prototypical "cannon", to be sure. But I"m not knowledgable enough about his arm, his conditioning and strength regimen to know how much his relative "weakness" was a lack of genetic endowment and how much was not having access to today's knowledge and practice base. Personally, I think the mental far outweighs the physical at the position -- I've seen far more "cannons" fail for lack of mental oomph than I've seen mental strength fail to compensate for physical strength. Indeed, IMO, strength/physical ability was more likely to be able to trump mental shortcomings back then than it does now (see, e.g., John Unitas, Fran Tarkenton, to name two Hall of Famers from the era).

I just think the "arm strength" comparison is overdone.

Durability is another matter, however. I doubt he'd have lasted behind the Packers OL the last five years, for example.

On the other hand, what if he had been on the Colts during the Manning years or the 49ers during the Montana years or the Cowboys during the Aikman years or .... IMO, he would have led the team to multiple championships just as he did in the Lombardi years.

I'm not sure there's a player or coach in Packer history (maybe Curly Lambeau?) who had the leadership and fortitude and all-around-mental oomph that Starr had. Maybe Rodgers -- but only time will tell.

I've been lucky as a Packer fan to have seen four great quarterbacks play on the team. I'm convinced Lynn Dickey would have been HoF quality numbers had he had a better team/coach. Rodgers has show himself to be special -- but two greatyears does not "best ever" make. Favre is certainly first ballot HoF in my book, and I'd take him in his prime over any other quarterback but one I've seen in the NFL since Starr, and that includes Montana. (If I had a chance between Favre in his prime and now, I'd take Rodgers.)

But not over Starr. Not then, and not now.

Not a chance.





And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.
Romans 12:2 (NKJV)
Dexter_Sinister
13 years ago
Rodgers is so good, he calls other QB's plays.

I want to go out like my Grandpa did. Peacefully in his sleep.
Not screaming in terror like his passengers.
RaiderPride
13 years ago
The last part of this thread is a great read. One can see the old opinions coming out in many posters regarding the accountability of Brett Vs Aaron in their playoff losses. love it. It makes me laugh, it makes me cry, it makes me jump up and cheer!

I only have one small thing to add... And this is not just about the playoffs but about their respective careers.


Brett looked back at his mistakes and thought: "I would not do it any different. I am the best there is"

Aaron looks back at his mistakes and thinks: "I will never do that again, I need to adapt, overcome and achieve. I want to be better than I am"

It is all about smarts when dropping back in the pocket. This is why Aaron will get his second ring at The Mercedes-Benz this February.

Heretofore... I rank Brett at number 24th on the greatst Packer list. Top 24 ranking is for pure natural talent only.

I rank Brett as number 943rd on the Packer list as the most cerebral players to wear the Green and Gold.









""People Will Probably Never Remember What You Said, And May Never Remember What You Did. However, People Will Always Remember How You Made Them Feel."
Zero2Cool
13 years ago
"This is why Aaron will get his second ring at The Mercedes-Benz this February." phuck yeah!!

943rd? I can't even name 942 NFL players, let alone Packer players! That's nearly 18 full 53 man rosters!! Impressive mate.
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wpr
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13 years ago

The last part of this thread is a great read. One can see the old opinions coming out in many posters regarding the accountability of Brett Vs Aaron in their playoff losses. love it. It makes me laugh, it makes me cry, it makes me jump up and cheer!

I only have one small thing to add... And this is not just about the playoffs but about their respective careers.


Brett looked back at his mistakes and thought: "I would not do it any different. I am the best there is"

Aaron looks back at his mistakes and thinks: "I will never do that again, I need to adapt, overcome and achieve. I want to be better than I am"

It is all about smarts when dropping back in the pocket. This is why Aaron will get his second ring at The Mercedes-Benz this February.

Heretofore... I rank Brett at number 24th on the greatst Packer list. Top 24 ranking is for pure natural talent only.

I rank Brett as number 943rd on the Packer list as the most cerebral players to wear the Green and Gold.

Originally Posted by: RaiderPride 



I like your comments. I will say this- Brett would not have been Brett had he been more cerebral. His success and adoration from fans who were not Packer fans came from his seat of the pants approach.

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Dexter_Sinister
13 years ago

I like your comments. I will say this- Brett would not have been Brett had he been more cerebral. His success and adoration from fans who were not Packer fans came from his seat of the pants approach.

Originally Posted by: wpr 



And that was his downfall.

The worst part is, it was completely unnecessary. In '07 and '09, Favre proved what he could do with sufficient motivation. The motivation that pure adrenaline provides is by its very nature, inconsistent.

Because he could and did play very well that way at times, he looked like he felt he didn't need discipline and hard work off the field.

He was too busy having fun to put in any effort Monday through Saturday.

Which is a huge shame. Because if Favre worked as hard as Montana, he would have been the best ever. Instead of tied with Trent Green.
I want to go out like my Grandpa did. Peacefully in his sleep.
Not screaming in terror like his passengers.
obi1
13 years ago


Heretofore... I rank Brett at number 24th on the greatst Packer list. Top 24 ranking is for pure natural talent only.

I rank Brett as number 943rd on the Packer list as the most cerebral players to wear the Green and Gold.








Originally Posted by: RaiderPride 



RP,

I think you over rate Favre's "cerebrality"

Personally, I have to agree with Hutson. He WAS the best Packer ever and may be the best NFL Wide receiver, EVER.

I also have to include Reggie White without whom the 2 superbowl experiences in the 90's would have been unlikely!
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