Zero2Cool
13 years ago

They are.

The first generation will speak english as well as any citizen but they will probably be bilingual. Buy the second generation, they probably will not even know how to hold a conversation in their grandparents native language.

It is the way it has always been. Since the beginning of the United States.

Learning a new language as an adult is a bit more difficult than it is for little kids.

Originally Posted by: Dexter_Sinister 



lol yeah they are, sorry I'm gonna stick with my experience and knowledge, thanks though! ;)


True, learning a new language is less difficult as a youth than adult.
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Zero2Cool
13 years ago

I'll give both you momolucs $10 cash to come out and sling some honey. I'll even splurge on the greyhound bus ticket. [grin1]

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 



lol nothing personal, but my charge is over $30 when I'm not in the office. 🙂
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Wade
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13 years ago
How do we know they wouldn't pay taxes if they were legal?

I know that if I were working illegally, I wouldn't tell ANY government person I was doing so. Much less an agent of the Treasury department.

If we as a society (acting through our government) tell Jose he is an illegal person subject to deportation if he is caught, we ought not complain when he fails to file tax returns. We ought not even be surprised.


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dfosterf
13 years ago
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/09/colorado-senate-passes-as_n_1412631.html 


Unreal. Out of state residents must pay much more than an illegal immigrant. Legal immigrants must pay much more than illegal immigrants.

Nice.

Keep up the good work, lol

Friggin' Dakota still whinin' about his friggin' bee operation. It ain't Exxon, go back to your work and/or getting stung like the rest of us schleppers and stfu, shovel / schlep / grab / steal that honey and be be damned glad it ain't shit you're shovelin' for a livin' lol.
DakotaT
13 years ago

lol nothing personal, but my charge is over $30 when I'm not in the office. :)

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



Don't worry about it, we get our catch up labor from another beekeeper and they are of the South of the Border variety. And let me tell you, those 4'10" little bastards can work, but we pay the guy $15 an hour for each. I don't know what he pays them.
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DakotaT
13 years ago

How do we know they wouldn't pay taxes if they were legal?

I know that if I were working illegally, I wouldn't tell ANY government person I was doing so. Much less an agent of the Treasury department.

If we as a society (acting through our government) tell Jose he is an illegal person subject to deportation if he is caught, we ought not complain when he fails to file tax returns. We ought not even be surprised.

Originally Posted by: Wade 



We ought to throw the fuckin contractors paying them under the table into the pokey.


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DakotaT
13 years ago



Friggin' Dakota still whinin' about his friggin' bee operation. It ain't Exxon, go back to your work and/or getting stung like the rest of us schleppers and stfu, shovel / schlep / grab / steal that honey and be be damned glad it ain't shit you're shovelin' for a livin' lol.

Originally Posted by: dfosterf 



I got news for you Gunny, I've shoveled plenty of shit in my life. Pig shit is the worst, the chicken shit, then cow shit. So go use your intimidation tactics on the desk pussies in here, that don't work with me big guy. [roflmao]
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Since69
13 years ago
Mixed feelings.

For it: America has always been, and should always be, the land of opportunity. These kids have done nothing wrong, and should be allowed in. Period. I have yet to hear a good argument against it.

Against: the last statement in Porforis' opening post: "...everytime we trample over the constitution, it's that much easier the next time." And I worry that this is nothing more than Obama trying to garner votes by pandering to minorities.

On an even more fundamental level,it bothers me each and every time that major decisions are made in Washington and I'm not consulted beforehand. Not just me personally, of course, but each and every citizen. This IS supposed to be a democracy, right? That's what we're still pretending, isn't it? How the hell do my congressmen know what I want? And why should they care what I want, when they keep getting elected (by patriotic, but willfully ignorant morons) simply on the basis of their party affiliation?
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DakotaT
13 years ago

Mixed feelings.

For it: America has always been, and should always be, the land of opportunity. These kids have done nothing wrong, and should be allowed in. Period. I have yet to hear a good argument against it.

Against: the last statement in Porforis' opening post: "...everytime we trample over the constitution, it's that much easier the next time." And I worry that this is nothing more than Obama trying to garner votes by pandering to minorities.

On an even more fundamental level,it bothers me each and every time that major decisions are made in Washington and I'm not consulted beforehand. Not just me personally, of course, but each and every citizen. This IS supposed to be a democracy, right? That's what we're still pretending, isn't it? How the hell do my congressmen know what I want? And why should they care what I want, when they keep getting elected (by patriotic, but willfully ignorant morons) simply on the basis of their party affiliation?

Originally Posted by: Since69 



We are not a democracy, we are a Republic and we vote in representatives to speak for us. The problem is that these men and women are human and can be bought. A person can have all the outrage they want to and cling on to whatever ethics they believe - there really isn't a damn thing anyone can do about it, unless one comes across a boatload of money. I think that eliminates all of us at PH.
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Porforis
13 years ago

On an even more fundamental level,it bothers me each and every time that major decisions are made in Washington and I'm not consulted beforehand. Not just me personally, of course, but each and every citizen. This IS supposed to be a democracy, right? That's what we're still pretending, isn't it? How the hell do my congressmen know what I want?

Originally Posted by: Since69 



We're not a democracy, we're a constitutional republic (I'm sure it can be defined more specifically but I don't care ;)). Unfortunately, a country of this size simply would not work as a democracy, so we have representatives that we elect because the majority of people think this person has good ideas.

http://www.usa.gov/Contact/Elected.shtml 

It's not a perfect system, but there's no way a direct democracy or something close to it would work, where we'd have national referendums on every piece of legislation. And even if it did, we'd not have a bunch of experts to tell us what the bill actually means, and we'd need to worry about the media translating said bills through the lens of their own agenda.

And why should they care what I want, when they keep getting elected (by patriotic, but willfully ignorant morons) simply on the basis of their party affiliation?

Originally Posted by: Since69 



Obviously, you can only control your own actions. But think of how many people you know, and how many people you come in contact with daily. You have an opportunity to be an influence on all of them. Most people have made up their minds, but you never know when a well thought out argument for a particular candidate (or against a particular candidate) might either sway someone's opinion, or at the very least open their mind to the possibility of something different.
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