Zero2Cool
12 years ago
I can't say I'm excited about anyone really. Obviously, Free Agency isn't over and the draft is yet to take place.

91 	Guy, Lawrence 		DE 	6-4 	304	22	R 	Arizona State
69	Hargrove, Anthony 	DE 	6-3 	282	28	8 	Georgia Tech
96 	Neal, Mike 			DE 	6-3 	294	24	2 	Purdue
98 	Wilson, C.J. 		DE 	6-3 	290	25	2 	East Carolina
94 	Wynn, Jarius 		DE 	6-3 	285	25	3 	Georgia

67 	Jones, Johnny 		DL 	6-4 	310	23	R 	Marshall

95	Muir, Daniel 		DT 	6-2 	312	28	5 	Kent State
79 	Pickett, Ryan 		DT 	6-2 	340	32	11 	Ohio State
90 	Raji, B.J. 			DT 	6-2 	337	25	3 	Boston College

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play2win
12 years ago
Pickett was one of the NFL's top DTs when we got him. While his age is getting up there, he is still a good veteran player. Raji is a much better player than he showed last season, IMO. He was over utilized. Too many snaps for the big fella. Hargrove may in fact be a gem. While it is early, I like what players and coaches from other teams have had to say about him. He improves this group. Muir, looks to be a serviceable guy in rotation behind Pickett.

The rest really are uninspiring. I'm guessing we add 2 - 4 players to this group. DE (2), NT and DT. This is a top priority on our team to upgrade, along with OLB. I'll be thrilled if we can replace Guy, Neal, Wilson, Wynn and Jones with better talent.
zombieslayer
12 years ago
I'm guessing 🇹🇹 goes BPA between DL and OLB for his first pick. Our DL right now was the weak spot of the team. Its ineptitude is what killed our D.

I hate to say this, but Raji may be one of the most overrated D players in the NFL today. No way he deserved the Pro Bowl nod. Pickett's age seems like it's creeping up. Those two are so much above everyone else we currently got that I'm not gonna even waste any more typing.
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rabidgopher04
12 years ago
Beyond Pickett and Raji we don't have a D-line. Must be why we had two man fronts many times last year.
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PackerTraxx
12 years ago
I'm hoping Guy develops this year. Probably the reason I have high hopes for him is that he played really well against Wisconsin a couple of years ago. I hate to say it but with Jenkins and Jolly gone that's a pretty sorry looking group outside of Raji and Pickett.
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gbguy20
12 years ago
give hargrove more credit folks
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Zero2Cool
12 years ago

give hargrove more credit folks

Originally Posted by: gbguy20 



I say this respectfully and inquisitively (Rourke?) ... why?
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Pack93z
12 years ago
One thing I think many are failing to account for upon the 2nd & 3rd year players is that last off season was a total loss on any development. The lockout impacted last years rookies some, but I think it was a critical loss for players coming out of their 1st pro year.

Guys like Wilson and yes Neal both didn't have the benefit of working in the off season with the coaching staff and being pushed by the training staff.

My point here is simple, lets not completely write off these players at this point.

And why value either Muir or Hargrove?

Muir was a player that would have stuck with the Packers if at that point we didn't have a excess of DT at the time. He was then snapped up and played a considerable amount for the Colts. Should we expect a stout pass rush from him.. probably not, but from memory he has a decent burst and could play an important role.. rotation.

Hargrove, IMO, will do one thing here in GB.. he will be brought in to play DE on passing situations to provide push.. if nothing else to make the opposition at least respect if in the blocking scheme. Last season, the opposition could plan for single blocking our ends and allow more to be pushed out to the edge. If he can at least force the opposition second level of protection to at least look his way it will be an improvement over last season.

It might not be popular, but IMO, if your downs in a 3-4 can provide a push, it expands the DC ability to call "effective" blitz calls from a number of holes not just the edge.. basically pushes the protection into mistakes.
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gbguy20
12 years ago

I say this respectfully and inquisitively (Rourke?) ... why?

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



i don't have a good answer for that 🙂
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zombieslayer
12 years ago
Bumping this thread just to get conversation going, does anyone here think the DL is NOT a big problem?
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