zombieslayer
13 years ago

To draft pure BPA isn't very smart. I mean, if Stephen Hill falls to us, do we draft him? I mean we'd only have Jennings, Jones, Nelson, Cobb, Driver and Stephen Hill then.

What about if Tannehill fell to us? Do we draft him because he's the best player avaivable?

BPA in area of need is the way to go.

Originally Posted by: Packers_Finland 



Sort of. You can always get a stud and trade him for more picks or someone you need.

Plus, you never know where injuries happen. What happens if two WRs go down? Then suddenly our WR depth doesn't look so great? You can't predict injuries.
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porky88
13 years ago
Ted Thompson puts value on certain positions. He looks at QB, the offensive line, and defensive front seven. This is his trend in the first round. Those are his valued positions, which correlate to best player available. It's all subjective. We look at Justin Harrell and don’t see BPA. We may look at Dwayne Bowe as BPA. Ted Thompson would argue that a defensive lineman is more valuable than a receiver is. Therefore, he’s taking the BPA.

Another example is B.J. Raji and Michael Crabtree. Many thought Crabtree was a higher rated prospect than Raji. However, in terms of value, Raji ranks higher than Crabtree because he plays a premium position. In other words, BPA has more to do with the value of the position than the players. Perhaps there are exceptions, but thus far, this has been the first round philosophy.
Zero2Cool
13 years ago

Ted Thompson puts value on certain positions. He looks at QB, the offensive line, and defensive front seven. This is his trend in the first round. Those are his valued positions, which correlate to best player available. It's all subjective. We look at Justin Harrell and don’t see BPA. We may look at Dwayne Bowe as BPA. Ted Thompson would argue that a defensive lineman is more valuable than a receiver is. Therefore, he’s taking the BPA.

Another example is B.J. Raji and Michael Crabtree. Many thought Crabtree was a higher rated prospect than Raji. However, in terms of value, Raji ranks higher than Crabtree because he plays a premium position. In other words, BPA has more to do with the value of the position than the players. Perhaps there are exceptions, but thus far, this has been the first round philosophy.

Originally Posted by: porky88 



I think this points out an excellent point. What Mel Kiper Jr says is best player available, doesn't mean Ted Thompson feels the same.

Ted Thompson takes what he feels is the best player available and no one can argue he doesn't, unless they see his "best player available" chart, lol.
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Dexter_Sinister
13 years ago

To draft pure BPA isn't very smart. I mean, if Stephen Hill falls to us, do we draft him? I mean we'd only have Jennings, Jones, Nelson, Cobb, Driver and Stephen Hill then.

What about if Tannehill fell to us? Do we draft him because he's the best player avaivable?

BPA in area of need is the way to go.

Originally Posted by: Packers_Finland 



Backwards. BPA and area of need within that.

I would assume that Ted gives every player a number value that includes talent, position and character. If there are several players that have the same value, he picks the one we need most.

Since the majority of draft picks are not really fully functional for 3-5 years, Ted picks them for 3-5 years down the road.

Reaching to get an area of need is a good way to pass up higher rated players. Then your opponents will take that higher rated player. In 5 years of drafting 10 players a year, you will wind up with a weaker team if you believe in picking by need. Specially in the higher rounds.
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Packers_Finland
13 years ago

Backwards. BPA and area of need within that.

I would assume that Ted gives every player a number value that includes talent, position and character. If there are several players that have the same value, he picks the one we need most.

Since the majority of draft picks are not really fully functional for 3-5 years, Ted picks them for 3-5 years down the road.

Reaching to get an area of need is a good way to pass up higher rated players. Then your opponents will take that higher rated player. In 5 years of drafting 10 players a year, you will wind up with a weaker team if you believe in picking by need. Specially in the higher rounds.

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I'm not saying we should reach for areas of need. But for this draft, our "area of need" would consist of players that could play DL, OLB, CB and SS. There's no way we have to reach to get a guy that plays one of those positions.

As for someone saying pick BPA because you never know when injuries happen, it's not really smart that way either. Let's say the pure BPA for the first three picks is a WR. How many WRs are we going to carry if no one gets injured? Then suddenly a defensive lineman gets injured and there's no depth because no players were drafted for that position.
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zombieslayer
13 years ago

I'm not saying we should reach for areas of need. But for this draft, our "area of need" would consist of players that could play DL, OLB, CB and SS. There's no way we have to reach to get a guy that plays one of those positions.

As for someone saying pick BPA because you never know when injuries happen, it's not really smart that way either. Let's say the pure BPA for the first three picks is a WR. How many WRs are we going to carry if no one gets injured? Then suddenly a defensive lineman gets injured and there's no depth because no players were drafted for that position.

Originally Posted by: Packers_Finland 



Well yes, it's never that black and white. Every "rule" is meant to be broken and there are exceptions to everything.

I agree we need DL, OLB, CB, and SS, but you forget one very important need - OL. I'm surprised Wade and Foster haven't railed you yet.

If 🇦🇷 goes down, the season is over. 🇹🇹 and 🇲🇲 are fully aware of this. 2010 when we won the SB, we actually had a pretty good OL. Sports Illustrated actually wrote a good article on how good our OL was that year in the SB issue.

Btw, 🇹🇹 drafts a WR every year. 2005 still makes him grind his teeth at night.
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Dexter_Sinister
13 years ago

I'm not saying we should reach for areas of need. But for this draft, our "area of need" would consist of players that could play DL, OLB, CB and SS. There's no way we have to reach to get a guy that plays one of those positions.

As for someone saying pick BPA because you never know when injuries happen, it's not really smart that way either. Let's say the pure BPA for the first three picks is a WR. How many WRs are we going to carry if no one gets injured? Then suddenly a defensive lineman gets injured and there's no depth because no players were drafted for that position.

Originally Posted by: Packers_Finland 




It isn't just reaching, it is also passing up on someone better who may have dropped in the draft. If a better player is available, take him.

If you pass up on a better player for any reason, some team will take him and have better players than you do.

Do that enough times and eventually they will have a better team than you at every position.
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dhazer
13 years ago
TT will trade away our 1st and 2nd to the browns for their 1st and 2nd round picks next year. We have no holes on our team after all we were 15-1 in the regular season 🙂

BTW if Ted Thompson actually did that I would be happy with it. We could almost move up to the Patriots league on how every year they end up with like 3 or 4 picks in the 1st 2 rounds.

Just Imagine this for the next 6-9 years. What a ride it will be 🙂 (PS, Zero should charge for this)
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TheKanataThrilla
13 years ago
I think we trade back and select Jared Crick. Maybe a trade back allows us to land Harrison Smith.

Regarding selecting BPA is you are loaded with that talent imagine the GMs that have to look at players like Adrian Peterson who they passed on because of need. Probably looking at him from the unemployment line.
Yerko
13 years ago
Packers trade up in 1st round and take Melvin Ingram.

or

Packers trade out of the 1st round and take Ronnell Lewis in the 2nd round.


Two completely opposite scenarios, but two scenarios I'd be pleased with.
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