Formo
12 years ago

oh boy.
first of all, my dear male friends, contraceptives are not JUST for birth control. many women obtain health benefits simply by taking them. others have painful menses (& i mean squeeze yer nuts for you guys) kinda pain - bcp's very often help with that.
so call some woman a slut because she wants oral contraceptives paid for because you're a damn neanderthalic idiot who is so closed-minded that the only possible reason she could want bcp's is to have sex & alot of it - way to go there rushy boy. and also way to go catholic church for completely ignoring the other health benefits of bcp's. bury those heads some more! wow!!!
edit: i sounded way bitchy didn't i?? [boxing]

Originally Posted by: 4PackGirl 



Yes you did.. Too bitchy. of course, you WERE directing your vitriol towards Rush, right? In that case, then have at it. To be fair, the girl's argument was that she had enough sex to require $3k worth of contraceptives.. Not a very compelling one.

My point isn't that contraceptives (even though the word itself implies that they are to.. you know.. CONTRACEPT) aren't taken soley for birth control. It's the demand that a PRIVATE institution (funded by a religion that doesn't believe in the usage of said contraceptives) provide them.

As 'wrong' and 'ignorant' you or anyone else claims the Roman Catholic Church to be because of their beliefs on birth control pills, it's their right to have those beliefs.
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DakotaT
12 years ago
Doesn't this argument just lay the groundwork for the next type of health coverage some group doesn't want to have to cover?

As far as the rights of the Catholic Church, since it has been trampeling human right throughout the centuries, does anybody even care about the rights of the church.
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Formo
12 years ago

Doesn't this argument just lay the groundwork for the next type of health coverage some group doesn't want to have to cover?

As far as the rights of the Catholic Church, since it has been trampeling human right throughout the centuries, does anybody even care about the rights of the church.

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 



If you like freedom and liberty you should.
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4PackGirl
12 years ago

Yes you did.. Too bitchy. of course, you WERE directing your vitriol towards Rush, right? In that case, then have at it. To be fair, the girl's argument was that she had enough sex to require $3k worth of contraceptives.. Not a very compelling one.

My point isn't that contraceptives (even though the word itself implies that they are to.. you know.. CONTRACEPT) aren't taken soley for birth control. It's the demand that a PRIVATE institution (funded by a religion that doesn't believe in the usage of said contraceptives) provide them.

As 'wrong' and 'ignorant' you or anyone else claims the Roman Catholic Church to be because of their beliefs on birth control pills, it's their right to have those beliefs.

Originally Posted by: Formo 



yes mostly it was directed at rush. but also to people who can't think past the ends of their noses in general. i had no idea what her argument was & neither did most of the rest on here but right away, everyone thinks it's for strictly birth control.

having said that...her argument (now that you told us) holds little water to me now. if she knew when she started working there that bcp's were not provided, too bad so sad for her. alot of people have RX's they can barely afford so i say 'suck it up buttercup', get a 2nd job, & get those bcp's on your own.

Porforis
12 years ago

Doesn't this argument just lay the groundwork for the next type of health coverage some group doesn't want to have to cover?

As far as the rights of the Catholic Church, since it has been trampeling human right throughout the centuries, does anybody even care about the rights of the church.

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 



America: Where we'll protect your rights unless DakotaT doesn't like you and can point towards injustice in the past. In that case, why don't we just strip the federal government of all their rights over the internment of japanese-americans during WWII and near genocide of various native american tribes? What about Europeans? Our ancestors were responsible for plenty of bloody conflict as well as slavery. Or is your judgement over who or what deserves constitutional protection limited to whatever strikes your fancy? Sure glad you don't run things.
Formo
12 years ago

yes mostly it was directed at rush. but also to people who can't think past the ends of their noses in general. i had no idea what her argument was & neither did most of the rest on here but right away, everyone thinks it's for strictly birth control.

having said that...her argument (now that you told us) holds little water to me now. if she knew when she started working there that bcp's were not provided, too bad so sad for her. alot of people have RX's they can barely afford so i say 'suck it up buttercup', get a 2nd job, & get those bcp's on your own.

Originally Posted by: 4PackGirl 



I re-read what I wrote and I just want to say, I didn't mean to come off as 'bitchy' myself.. lol Just was discussing this exact subject (minus Rush's comments) on another forum and probably still had my feathers ruffled.

I honestly didn't watch the whole testimony because the video I found with it was edited (thus I'd be missing parts of her argument). From what I've seen she used sex as part of her argument. Of course she used other reasons.. I pointed out the sex argument because it was just plain silly. Your 2nd to last sentence is exactly my argument. Even if you DIDN'T know they wouldn't supply bcp's, you HAD to know that the school is a private Catholic one, which means they don't take public money, which means the government has no RIGHT to say how they provide insurance.
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12 years ago
The "slut" responded to The Slime on NBC Today Show. I didn't bother to bring her statement over here. Someone else can if they want to. I am going to go to lunch.
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Nonstopdrivel
12 years ago

Our ancestors were responsible for plenty of bloody conflict as well as slavery.

Originally Posted by: Porforis 


Yep. Which is precisely why I do not share in the collective white guilt. While the blacks in America were groaning under the chains of Southern slavery, my ancestors were groaning under the chains of Prussian slavery. While the Jews (and Gypsies and homosexuals and other such groups) were being persecuted in Europe, my ancestors were already in America and were among those who volunteered to serve in the American army. No point in harboring guilt for that with which neither I nor my forebears had anything to do.
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12 years ago
I refuse to feel responsible for any of my forefathers actions nor my descendents. I am responsible for me and me alone.

Ok if I thought my kids to shit on others I would be responsible to a certain extent but I didn't so I won't.
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Cheesey
12 years ago
Well then......when someone comes forward and agrees to buy the monthly meds i need, i'll not "bitch" about a woamn wanting birth control pills. For WHATEVER reason she wants them.
I have to make a choice every month. Pay the rent and car payment, or get the meds i need.
So my health is going to hell because i HAVE to make that choice.

My "right wing nutcase" mind only wants it to be fair. If they want THEIR meds paid for, then damn it, pay for mine too.

If that's "right wing", so be it.
Come on "left wing", pay for MINE too!!!
THEN I'll side with you.
It's not just women that deserve it, is it?
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