zombieslayer
13 years ago

Marshall Newhouse did NOT play well. That's an illusion that needs to be made clear to anyone. He was the worst starting tackle in the league last year according to PFF grades. I mean, whenever you complain about too much pressure getting to Rodgers, how do you think the pressure gets there? Newhouse was an absolute revolving door at left tackle. He's not an option, even at backup. I hope the Packers' decision makers noticed the same thing.

But I agree with Clifton being gone. Sherrod and Bulaga should be able to take it from here.

Originally Posted by: Packers_Finland 



I didn't say Newhouse is good. By any means.

What I said is he's better than Cliffy. Cliffy was awesome the year before but this year, injuries have taken their toll and he got slaughtered by speed rushers. I've seen him not even get a chip on speed rushers.

When Newhouse gets beaten, he at least gets a decent chip on him. Aaron sees it and adjusts accordingly. Plus, Newhouse has upside. Cliffy's not getting any younger.

I love Cliffy. He's very likely a Packers' Hall of Famer. But he's done.

Newhouse on the other hand will make a decent backup. Yes, he's not good enough to be a starter.

I think you read into my comments.
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Zero2Cool
13 years ago
He's probably chomping at me because I said I thought Marshall Newhouse played well filling in for Chad Clifton. I think if the QB has 3 seconds, that should be enough for him to get rid of the ball. Then again, I don't really know OL play at all and since the great Daryn Colledge was left to sign elsewhere, I haven't watched the OL all that much.
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Pack93z
13 years ago

I couldn't have said it any better myself. I think it was fragile not only physically -- as in, able to be pushed around by a determined defense -- but also psychologically. This offense is excellent at getting out in front quickly, and that is fun to watch, but it almost always seems to wither and become completely ineffective when it's down by more than a single point.

Excellent post overall.

Originally Posted by: Nonstopdrivel 




What does a physical running game do for a defense.. wonders.. ball control and keeping your defense off the field and fresh does wonders.

That is all my argument has ever been.. offensive balance is about more than just scoring.. it is about total game management.
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Zero2Cool
13 years ago

What does a physical running game do for a defense.. wonders.. ball control and keeping your defense off the field and fresh does wonders.

That is all my argument has ever been.. offensive balance is about more than just scoring.. it is about total game management.

Originally Posted by: Pack93z 


Pretty crazy how something so clear can be viewed so fuzzy huh? When we say a running game has its place, suddenly we get stats about how the Super Bowl winner was 3rd in passing, 28th in rushing, then those same folks go an say yards mean nothing lol.
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Nonstopdrivel
13 years ago

I couldn't have said it any better myself. I think it was fragile not only physically -- as in, able to be pushed around by a determined defense -- but also psychologically. This offense is excellent at getting out in front quickly, and that is fun to watch, but it almost always seems to wither and become completely ineffective when it's down by more than a single point.

Originally Posted by: Nonstopdrivel 


Oddly enough, I hadn't read the Aaron Rodgers: Frontrunner Extraordinaire  article by Cold Hard Football Facts when I wrote that. It just flowed out of my own observations. But it appears that CHFF had written much the same thing before the season even started.

I think what Shawn was saying is that it's not so much about rushing output as it is about having a tough-minded attitude of controlling the ball, particularly when the defense gets tough. The Packers offense is great at impressing audiences with its gracefulness like a ballerina, but it's not so impressive when it's pitted against a beefy prizefighter.
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Zero2Cool
13 years ago

Oddly enough, I hadn't read the Aaron Rodgers: Frontrunner Extraordinaire  article by Cold Hard Football Facts when I wrote that. It just flowed out of my own observations. But it appears that CHFF had written much the same thing before the season even started.

I think what Shawn was saying is that it's not so much about rushing output as it is about having a tough-minded attitude of controlling the ball, particularly when the defense gets tough. The Packers offense is great at impressing audiences with its gracefulness like a ballerina, but it's not so impressive when it's pitted against a beefy prizefighter.

Originally Posted by: Nonstopdrivel 



Yep. I think the Packers are an "indoor" team so to speak. I don't think they are as physical as a Championship team should be. At times, the way they played and tackled and the lack of physical aggression... they looked like a pretty China dolla to me.
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dfosterf
13 years ago

Yep. I think the Packers are an "indoor" team so to speak. I don't think they are as physical as a Championship team should be. At times, the way they played and tackled and the lack of physical aggression... they looked like a pretty China dolla to me.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 




Got those Senior Bowl weights? They are just in. We used to post them on the chat----- > as we (and they) went along. I'm sure you'll get them for us though.


Aaron Rodgers and BJ Raji can kindly get their collective asses back to actual work also.
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13 years ago
GREAT THREAD.

Indeed food for thought, and brilliant responses to this thread.... It made me jump to and Google the NFL Mock Drafts.

Perhaps it is time to set up the 2012 draft sticky.

With Pick 28 I will take...

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macbob
13 years ago

Marshall Newhouse did NOT play well. That's an illusion that needs to be made clear to anyone. He was the worst starting tackle in the league last year according to PFF grades. I mean, whenever you complain about too much pressure getting to Rodgers, how do you think the pressure gets there? Newhouse was an absolute revolving door at left tackle. He's not an option, even at backup. I hope the Packers' decision makers noticed the same thing.

But I agree with Clifton being gone. Sherrod and Bulaga should be able to take it from here.

Originally Posted by: Packers_Finland 




Personally, I'm not going to be that quick writing off Newhouse. He's been through his rookie year off-season (after being drafted), and then last year was his first full off-season, which was a total bust due to the lockout. He hasn't had the opportunity to go through a complete off-season yet, so I'm reserving judgement until after this next year.
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13 years ago
I don't think Newhouse should be given as much time as Kevin's favorite mediocre OL (Mrs. Colledge's husband) was given. But I think he should have one more year to "develop his potential".

Provided that Ted drafts at least three OL every year. 🐴
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