DakotaT
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13 years ago
Here's a viewpoint from a local Native American person in the Tribune today talking about domestic abuse on Indian Reservations and whether or not anybody has the right to intervene:

HanpaSunkasaid on: December 13, 2011, 11:17 am To all of the bigots out there who are so0o busy pointing fingers at us Indns - let's get a few things straight here. Our TRADITIONAL ways never allowed such things. But you whites 'had' to stick your noses in where they never belonged &: (a) promotes bringing alcohol to us - & still do. Alcohol was not made anywhere on Turtle Island prior to you whites 'discovering' us & our comparative Eden; (b)then you claim that we have a genetic "defect" because our bodies don't metabolize this poison - there's gall; (c)shoving missionaries down our throats despite our repeated refusals to have them - YOU WHITES made it a condition of getting food that we have missionaries on our Reservations - after you stole an entire continent; (d)when you point a finger at someone else, 3 fingers are still pointing back at you; (e) we don't notice too many 'virgins' or saints among you - and many of your Xtian 'saints' were woman-haters, if you read their writings.... So let's talk about answers. (a) Get the soul-collectors OFF our Rezs. That's missionaries. Our Traditional spiritual & cultural ways served us just fine for thousands of years before you self-proclaimed superior whites came here & caused all manner of damage. (b) Get alcohol on the "Poisons" list where it belongs. It's a jim-dandy sterilizing agent, which automatically tells us it's p-o-i-s-o-n. (c)Promote a return to Traditionalism according to our many various cultures. I can't count - anymore - how many times I or my friends have been told such junk as, "If you'd just give up this Traditionalism stuff, we'd ..." (do this or that to make your life eaiser; help you do this or that). Your culture promotes prostitution (your kings & nobles had what? "courtesans"? indeed..); ours never did. In short, if you can't eat off your porch, as my unchi used to say, you are in no position to talk down about someone else's situation. Your porches are by no means "that" clean....

Now the Great Nostraslayer has told me numerous times in the past that there is no racism from minorities and everything has been forgiven - in which I call BS. This person hates the white man's guts, and I'm quite certain he isn't alone.

I know a person who works as an EMT part time on the Standing Rock Res and he told me once that I couldn't even fathom in a million years what those people do to each other. So my question is: does a state or Federal government have any right to intervene in a Soveriegn Nation's affairs?


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zombieslayer
13 years ago

Here's a viewpoint from a local Native American person in the Tribune today talking about domestic abuse on Indian Reservations and whether or not anybody has the right to intervene:

HanpaSunkasaid on: December 13, 2011, 11:17 am To all of the bigots out there who are so0o busy pointing fingers at us Indns - let's get a few things straight here. Our TRADITIONAL ways never allowed such things. But you whites 'had' to stick your noses in where they never belonged &: (a) promotes bringing alcohol to us - & still do. Alcohol was not made anywhere on Turtle Island prior to you whites 'discovering' us & our comparative Eden; (b)then you claim that we have a genetic "defect" because our bodies don't metabolize this poison - there's gall; (c)shoving missionaries down our throats despite our repeated refusals to have them - YOU WHITES made it a condition of getting food that we have missionaries on our Reservations - after you stole an entire continent; (d)when you point a finger at someone else, 3 fingers are still pointing back at you; (e) we don't notice too many 'virgins' or saints among you - and many of your Xtian 'saints' were woman-haters, if you read their writings.... So let's talk about answers. (a) Get the soul-collectors OFF our Rezs. That's missionaries. Our Traditional spiritual & cultural ways served us just fine for thousands of years before you self-proclaimed superior whites came here & caused all manner of damage. (b) Get alcohol on the "Poisons" list where it belongs. It's a jim-dandy sterilizing agent, which automatically tells us it's p-o-i-s-o-n. (c)Promote a return to Traditionalism according to our many various cultures. I can't count - anymore - how many times I or my friends have been told such junk as, "If you'd just give up this Traditionalism stuff, we'd ..." (do this or that to make your life eaiser; help you do this or that). Your culture promotes prostitution (your kings & nobles had what? "courtesans"? indeed..); ours never did. In short, if you can't eat off your porch, as my unchi used to say, you are in no position to talk down about someone else's situation. Your porches are by no means "that" clean....

Now the Great Nostraslayer has told me numerous times in the past that there is no racism from minorities and everything has been forgiven - in which I call BS. This person hates the white man's guts, and I'm quite certain he isn't alone.

I know a person who works as an EMT part time on the Standing Rock Res and he told me once that I couldn't even fathom in a million years what those people do to each other. So my question is: does a state or Federal government have any right to intervene in a Soveriegn Nation's affairs?

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 



Whoa. When did I say that?

There's plenty of hatred in my family alone to the white man. I have family members who think it would be cool to KILL random white people. Yes, I'm serious.

I think you're probably not remembering something I said correctly. You are getting up there in age.

As for Native Americans, they got plenty of legitimate complaints. Still do. We're still screwing them over.

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13 years ago
I also remember ZS mentioning instances of racism against whites within his family.
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13 years ago
OK, cool. I could have sworn I did.
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Zero2Cool
13 years ago

Whoa. When did I say that?

There's plenty of hatred in my family alone to the white man. I have family members who think it would be cool to KILL random white people. Yes, I'm serious.

Originally Posted by: zombieslayer 



That's why he won't invite me over for Christmas.

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Wade
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13 years ago

So my question is: does a state or Federal government have any right to intervene in a Soveriegn Nation's affairs?

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 


Sovereign countries can do whatever they want to each other. That's what it means to be sovereign.

Oh, they can give up rights to do some things voluntarily: that's called a "treaty" or a "peace accord" or "joining the EU" or "ratifying UN membership."

But as long as they exist, they retain the power to break any previously ceded rights. And unless there's a bigger SOB (Sovereign Order of Bastards) out there to beat the crap out of them for doing so, they get away with it.

So, since the USA is the biggest gorilla on any block, compared to which the Native Americans in question have little more oomph behind them than San Marino does (and less than Liechtenstein), they will if they decide its worth the political flack they'll get.

Is such intervention moral? Well, that's a tougher question.

But unless one believes in the divine right of kings or some such, sovereignty is not a moral question. It never is.

It's a power question.
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Wade
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13 years ago
Oh, yes.

And are so many problems with the so called "Native American" position quoted in the clipping, I don't know where to start.

But though I am trying to find something to avoid grading in the 90 minutes before I go visit The Mom, I'm not going to go there to any length.

I'll only say this: it's better to be thought an idiot, HanpaSunkasid, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. And the fact that whites, and American whites in particular have a long history of abysmality in their affairs with Native Americans, doesn't change that. Any more than it changes the immorality of abuse.

Forgive me, but his rant reminds me of the people who defend female circumcision as a cultural right.
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DakotaT
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OK, cool. I could have sworn I did.
Dakota's going senile.

Originally Posted by: zombieslayer 



I might piss you guys off on a daily basis, but my memory is pretty solid. Nostraslayer commented that I needed to move on from premise that minorities harbor terrible resentments towards the white man. I'm not going back to find the threads cause that's a waste of my time - and it isn't my style to say I told you so. The threads would have been many of the ones I've attempted to make everybody feel guilty about their inheritance and what was stolen not only from the Native Americans, but Mexico too.

Zombie, do you have any sisters for Zero?

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Zombie, do you have any sisters for Zero?

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 



Before this goes farther, I still want dibs on zombieslayer's cousin.
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zombieslayer
13 years ago

I might piss you guys off on a daily basis, but my memory is pretty solid. Nostraslayer commented that I needed to move on from premise that minorities harbor terrible resentments towards the white man. I'm not going back to find the threads cause that's a waste of my time - and it isn't my style to say I told you so. The threads would have been many of the ones I've attempted to make everybody feel guilty about their inheritance and what was stolen not only from the Native Americans, but Mexico too.

Zombie, do you have any sisters for Zero?

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Yes, but you're taking things out of context. That's not quite what was said.

And no, no sisters for Zero. And Wade already has dibs on my cousin.
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