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13 years ago

I wonder if Charles Woodson has a little motivation to play the Raiders as a Super Bowl Champion. I doubt it, always curious about the little insignificant things like that.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



I don't think he left on a bad note. Did he?

He was seen as washed up. If anything, he had to prove the NFL wrong, not the Raiders.

The NFL saw him as all this potential but a big disappointment.

He became an entire different person when joining the Packers. For example, the most extreme stat was 8 years with the Raiders and 2 pick 6's. With the Packers in 6 years, he's had 9.
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I don't think he left on a bad note. Did he?

He was seen as washed up. If anything, he had to prove the NFL wrong, not the Raiders.

The NFL saw him as all this potential but a big disappointment.

He became an entire different person when joining the Packers. For example, the most extreme stat was 8 years with the Raiders and 2 pick 6's. With the Packers in 6 years, he's had 9.

Originally Posted by: zombieslayer 



RaiderPride would know better than I. I thought I read Charles Woodson was ticked the Raiders wouldn't give him a contract and all but said he had nothing left to offer. The Raiders gave up on Charles Woodson because they didn't feel he had anything left.

By the Raiders not extending/resigning him, it gave the NFL a chance to place a number on him and only the Packers and Buccaneers did. Ultimately implying the rest of the NFL felt the same as the Raiders.


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Well, i got the Packers score right.

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+1 for you cheese.

Vikesrule was in the chat rooting for the Giants. He got quiet on that last drive.

Originally Posted by: zombieslayer 


NOOOOOOOO!!! [grin1]

I wonder if Charles Woodson has a little motivation to play the Raiders as a Super Bowl Champion. I doubt it, always curious about the little insignificant things like that.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



I can not imagine Sir Charles will play. Not with the standards the NFL has set up these days for concussions. I am certain he will be begging to get out there and do toe to toe with them.
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RaiderPride would know better than I. I thought I read Charles Woodson was ticked the Raiders wouldn't give him a contract and all but said he had nothing left to offer. The Raiders gave up on Charles Woodson because they didn't feel he had anything left.

By the Raiders not extending/resigning him, it gave the NFL a chance to place a number on him and only the Packers and Buccaneers did. Ultimately implying the rest of the NFL felt the same as the Raiders.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 




Bastard, you beat me to it. I'll just add that the sentiment in Oakland was that Woodson was dogging it and could have played through some injuries.

To the Packer's delight - he had to reprove himself. And even if the thought of playing for the Packers was reprehensible to Charles at first, I think you're going to have to drag him out of GB kicking and screaming in a couple years.

Maybe Philly will cut Ashomugha, and we can make that huge mistake again.
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Woody and Sitton can spend the rest of the regular season at Club Med for all I care so long as they're healthy for the playoffs.
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13 years ago
Well, hopefully we'll get RP's input on Woodson. To be honest, I have NO idea whatsoever, despite living amongst Raiders fans (the Niner fans are all fair weather here and I generally don't talk to them).

I do know that he's an extremely driven person and in the back of his mind, he's probably playing to be a first round ballot Hall of Famer. I'm sure this discussion has been had amongst the Woodsons.
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Well, hopefully we'll get RP's input on Woodson. To be honest, I have NO idea whatsoever, despite living amongst Raiders fans (the Niner fans are all fair weather here and I generally don't talk to them).

I do know that he's an extremely driven person and in the back of his mind, he's probably playing to be a first round ballot Hall of Famer. I'm sure this discussion has been had amongst the Woodsons.

Originally Posted by: zombieslayer 



There is more to this story then many people realize. In fact it all leads to getting Aaron Rodgers. Yes Aaron.

Chuck was never really pissed at Al Davis at all. He started to think about leaving the Raiders in 2003 when he had a public spat with Head coach Callahan after Callahan called the Raiders The Dumbest Team In History.

In 2004 Woody was ready to move on still bitter after the 2003 season, He was injured and missed the last three games of the 2004 season. With the injury, his age, and him not happy... The Raiders new he would be moving on, because of the money he would demand and the fact he was an 7 year vet at the time who was injured.

It was this reason... in the 2005 draft, while so many were screaming for them to pick Aaron Rodgers with the 23rd pick... Al made a move to replace Woodson's imminent departure. One pick before the Packers 24th pick of the 2005 draft. The Raiders concerned with losing Woodson chose Fabian Washington a CB with blistering speed to replace Charles Woodson.

The Packers Drafted Aaron with the next pick.

The Raiders however put a franchise tag on him, and he was stuck with them for the 2005 Season. In the 6th game of 2005 Woodson broke his leg, and missed the rest of the 2005 season.

Due to his age, coming off a season where he missed 10 games.. He entered free agency. The Rest is history. Packers got Rodgers, and Woodson..
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There is more to this story then many people realize. In fact it all leads to getting Aaron Rodgers. Yes Aaron.

Originally Posted by: RaiderPride 



EVERYTHING leads to (or from) AR. =d>
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That was a SCARY game and I was was way off on my prediction.

Giants came to play and still lost to a below average team performance by the Packers. =d>
Away game, best lineman injured, 2 starting ILBs injured, and starting CB knocked out of game...I'll take the ugly win.

Side rant...

I've been bugged today via Twitter to see all the hate towards Finley. There is a difference between being disappointed in a player's performance and hating a player because of a bad performance. He dropped a wide open pass...it happens to the best of them. The one and only Greg Jennings had two dropped passes.

Not to mention, Finley was being mugged a majority of the game and received ONE flag the entire game. The penalty they did call wasn't half as bad as what was happening before.

Finley recorded 6 receptions for 87 yards and a touchdown. I will take that every game from the tight end. Can that even be considered a bad performance? Haha.

I understand people are all bent out of shape because of the "chemistry" article, but give me a break.


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GF,
Don't let it get to you. Ignorant people complain about things they do not understand. JerMike dropped a few passes but overall he had a good day and was a major contributor in the victory. They probably couldn't have done so without him.
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Finley recorded 6 receptions for 87 yards and a touchdown. I will take that every game from the tight end. Can that even be considered a bad performance? Haha.

I understand people are all bent out of shape because of the "chemistry" article, but give me a break.

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I'm still waiting for someone to produce this chemistry article, argh.

He did have 2 or 3 drive killing drops. I'd give him a B.

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Our Defense is performing very poorly it's no question but after thinking about the game I think the BIG problem is the pass rush. Our secondary might be slightly to blame but you can't expect to be able to cover guys, especially in a zone based defense when receivers have enough time to run through and easily find the holes and sit in them while the QB lays back and finds them with ease... Also in man to man coverage, good CB's like woodson and tramon are getting killed deep but what really do you expect when receivers are about to run full speed 20 yards down the field pull off a double or triple move on them while the QB has the entire time to wait for that to develop.

Last year our passing D was spectacular but the more I think of it the more I think our Pass Rush forced teams to get the ball out quick on the shorter routes which killed all the bigger plays down the field. A lot of times when teams tried to hold the ball they'd get hit or pressured before they got it out the way they would want to. For example in the Superbowl Nick Collins got a big pick 6 when they decided to take a deep shot down the field, but the real reason that play even happened was due to the quick pressure we got up the middle that hit big ben as he threw.

Matthews created a ton of pressure last game and has been close in a lot of games, but QB's are moving away from him and we have no pressure coming from the other end or even up the middle from Raji or Jenkins void.

So anyway, It looks like we are going to have to live with this, this year because I don't think our secondary is going to be able to cover players like this. Peprah is the only one I see that's really blowing coverages on his own. So next year we need to fix the hole at OLB, and this year just hope Capers can find some schemes and blitz packages that get us some free lanes to run through. We may have to Blitz Bishop more as he's getting home with a lot of them this year. Zombo was pretty good at it last year and has barely played this year and when he has, he's done little.
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I'm still waiting for someone to produce this chemistry article, argh.

He did have 2 or 3 drive killing drops. I'd give him a B.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



I've never seen Finley drop this many. The good news is Jennings, Jones, Nelson and Driver have all gone through this and bounced back. Driver has had some brutal drops over his career...Jones was awful last year, but much improved this year.
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Did someone else post this?   I didn't see it.


On the two-minute drill: "... I thought it was awesome."

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That was a SCARY game and I was was way off on my prediction.

Giants came to play and still lost to a below average team performance by the Packers. =d>
Away game, best lineman injured, 2 starting ILBs injured, and starting CB knocked out of game...I'll take the ugly win.

Side rant...

I've been bugged today via Twitter to see all the hate towards Finley. There is a difference between being disappointed in a player's performance and hating a player because of a bad performance. He dropped a wide open pass...it happens to the best of them. The one and only Greg Jennings had two dropped passes.

Not to mention, Finley was being mugged a majority of the game and received ONE flag the entire game. The penalty they did call wasn't half as bad as what was happening before.

Finley recorded 6 receptions for 87 yards and a touchdown. I will take that every game from the tight end. Can that even be considered a bad performance? Haha.

I understand people are all bent out of shape because of the "chemistry" article, but give me a break.

Originally Posted by: G-Force 



I agree - while finley wasnt fantastic he had some great catches when we needed them. Our best TE by far. Nelson I think is the #2 receiver; looks to be getting better and better. But got to love DD's TD grab and laying out like that
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13 years ago

Our Defense is performing very poorly it's no question but after thinking about the game I think the BIG problem is the pass rush. Our secondary might be slightly to blame but you can't expect to be able to cover guys, especially in a zone based defense when receivers have enough time to run through and easily find the holes and sit in them while the QB lays back and finds them with ease... Also in man to man coverage, good CB's like woodson and tramon are getting killed deep but what really do you expect when receivers are about to run full speed 20 yards down the field pull off a double or triple move on them while the QB has the entire time to wait for that to develop.

Last year our passing D was spectacular but the more I think of it the more I think our Pass Rush forced teams to get the ball out quick on the shorter routes which killed all the bigger plays down the field. A lot of times when teams tried to hold the ball they'd get hit or pressured before they got it out the way they would want to. For example in the Superbowl Nick Collins got a big pick 6 when they decided to take a deep shot down the field, but the real reason that play even happened was due to the quick pressure we got up the middle that hit big ben as he threw.

Matthews created a ton of pressure last game and has been close in a lot of games, but QB's are moving away from him and we have no pressure coming from the other end or even up the middle from Raji or Jenkins void.

So anyway, It looks like we are going to have to live with this, this year because I don't think our secondary is going to be able to cover players like this. Peprah is the only one I see that's really blowing coverages on his own. So next year we need to fix the hole at OLB, and this year just hope Capers can find some schemes and blitz packages that get us some free lanes to run through. We may have to Blitz Bishop more as he's getting home with a lot of them this year. Zombo was pretty good at it last year and has barely played this year and when he has, he's done little.

Originally Posted by: Rios39 




Good point about Bishop. He's actually hitting home occasionally.

People complain about sending Woodson in on blitzes but we gotta do it. Dom is doing all he can with what he has.

I think one more solid pass rusher and it's an entirely different D. I think you and I are seeing the same problem with our D - lack of a pass rush.
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Good point about Bishop. He's actually hitting home occasionally.

People complain about sending Woodson in on blitzes but we gotta do it. Dom is doing all he can with what he has.

I think one more solid pass rusher and it's an entirely different D. I think you and I are seeing the same problem with our D - lack of a pass rush.

Originally Posted by: zombieslayer 




Woodson was sent a ton last year. If anything it frees up possible one on ones for Clay. I think it's the lack of inside pressure that is killing us. Obviously as well as the ROLB.
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Crazy yet fun game to watch. As much as I was an advocate of Newhouse's play in relief for Clifton, he was god awful on Sunday. Jason Pierre-Paul completely destroyed him. Great to see Clay have a good game, however.
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That drive was inspiring. They made it look so easy. Frankly, I thought the team needed this. I know the Giants are playing up the moral victory, but this game was huge for the Packers. Somebody else will give the Packers a run like this in the postseason. I don't know whom, but it'll happen. It always does.

This team continues to show it's capable of playing in any type of game. They were in a low scoring game with Detroit for a half. The Atlanta game was sloppy too. And they can outscore opponents in shootouts as we saw against New Orleans and San Diego. The last missing piece was a game-winning drive. Last Sunday, Rodgers delivered that masterfully.
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