Announcement PH Beta → Check it out! Click Me! (you might be see "unsafe", but it is safe)
wpr
  • wpr
  • Preferred Member
13 years ago
what is missed in the recent posts is that you have to have a lead worry of playing conservatively. They DID see a 21 point lead evaporate. Nuf said. It is not all Mike's fault but the game did come down to the last play when it shouldn't have had to.
UserPostedImage
Zero2Cool
13 years ago

Was it McCarthy's conservatism or was it Rodgers'? We all know that Rodgers is entrusted with a vast amount of discretion in this offense and that a large proportion of the play calls comprise run/pass options. Is it then McCarthy who is turning to the run or in fact Rodgers?

Originally Posted by: Nonstopdrivel 



I know what you're saying and I struggle to believe that Aaron Rodgers would take the ball out of his hands on 3rd down when a first down wins the game. Even if I had the skill of Anthony Dilweg and was playing QB in front of Barry Sanders. I'd roll out to the weak side with one of my two TE's shadowing me and dump it off to him or the crossing WR if I could not run for it.
UserPostedImage
evad04
13 years ago
The issue comes down to execution. Against Minnesota the shotgun runs and power game down the stretch won the game. On 3rd and 2, the Chargers snuffed out the shotgun run. It happens. The play wasn't executed correctly, and credit needs to be given to San Diego.

Now, considering there have been blown leads in consecutive games, is it not time to put the onus on the defensive coordinator? Heck, the special teams played its part in the comeback as well -- although it's hard for me to blame either case on scheme. Woodson's return was tough because he fielded it pretty much at the .5 yard line. If he lets it bounce and it doesn't go out of the back of the endzone, San Diego could pounce on it for a TD. On the onside kick, Jordy made a nice effort and the deflection stayed in bounce. On defense, however, Capers through the kitchen sink at 'em and I think only one sack came out of it (well, in fairness, a game clinching INT did as well). For the most part, though, Rivers owned the Pack in the 4th quarter. No matter how you draw it up, that's not McCarthy conservatism.
William Henderson didn't have to run people over. His preferred method was levitation.
"I'm a reasonable man, get off my case."
Zero2Cool
13 years ago
I'm on board with '10 Rourke, fire Dom Capers!
UserPostedImage
Nonstopdrivel
13 years ago
While I certainly disagree with a lot of the scheme choices that are being made, I don't know if I would go so far as to advocate firing.

I think Wade raised a good point last night, though. He said that no defense can be considered clutch when, after having had a 21-point lead in the 4th quarter, it must rely upon a last-second interception to seal the game.
UserPostedImage
Nonstopdrivel
13 years ago

I struggle to believe that Aaron Rodgers would take the ball out of his hands on 3rd down when a first down wins the game.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 


I can't disagree with you. I was just raising another possibility. I don't know one way or the other.
UserPostedImage
Stevetarded
13 years ago
I get the conservative run out the clock plan but I don't think it meshes well with a defense that is prone to giving up big plays and quick scores. It doesn't do all that much good to run a couple minutes off the clock when the other team can go 60ish yards to the end zone in a few plays. They've given up quick scores late in games a few times now. If you want to play it safe and run out the clock on offense you have to make the other team burn up clock on their own drives. This defense can't do that very well. I say when you play a team with a good offense you keep the ball in Rodgers hands with the game on the line.
blank
PackerTraxx
13 years ago
IMO Mike McCarthy has not been as conservative as he was in years past. He took a shot with the pass that was just alittle high to Jennings against the Chargers and has done it in other games this year. Some have worked and some haven't. In past years he would run all three downs and have to punt in 1 or 2 series. I'm glad to see him more agressive. I believe this is because he has more confidence in ARod and the reieivers now. Also, I think he realizes the talent with this team is on the offense now and it's more up to theim to win the game.
Why is Jerry Kramer not in the Hall of Fame?
Porforis
13 years ago

what is missed in the recent posts is that you have to have a lead worry of playing conservatively. They DID see a 21 point lead evaporate. Nuf said. It is not all Mike's fault but the game did come down to the last play when it shouldn't have had to.

Originally Posted by: wpr 



Because clearly blown coverages for TDs = conservatism.
wpr
  • wpr
  • Preferred Member
13 years ago

IMO Mike McCarthy has not been as conservative as he was in years past. He took a shot with the pass that was just alittle high to Jennings against the Chargers and has done it in other games this year. Some have worked and some haven't. In past years he would run all three downs and have to punt in 1 or 2 series. I'm glad to see him more agressive. I believe this is because he has more confidence in ARod and the reieivers now. Also, I think he realizes the talent with this team is on the offense now and it's more up to theim to win the game.

Originally Posted by: PackerTraxx 



some of that is conservatism. early in the game it would be 3 passes. every once in a while it is "only" 2 passes and a run. late in the game it ends up being 2 runs and one pass. the final possession 5 runs and 1 pass that was negated by a defensive penalty.

Look I do not mind a lot of runs late in the game. It is a good move to burn up the opposition's timeouts and to use up the clock. The point is it is a more conservative approach.
UserPostedImage
Fan Shout
Zero2Cool (49m) : Luke Getsy been helping Packers defense. He's former OC Bears/Raiders and our old QB coach
beast (2-Jan) : Thanks dfosterf, I'm still kicking myself for last week, as I forgot to change to pick Vikings and Lions... after putting in a holding spot.
Zero2Cool (2-Jan) : First alternate: Elgton Jenkins Other alternates: Jordan Love, Kenny Clark, Keisean Nixon, Tucker Kraft, Josh Myers, Jaire Alexander
Zero2Cool (2-Jan) : Pro Bowl still a thing? Guess Packers have three. Jacobs, Gary, McKinney.
dfosterf (2-Jan) : It's a mine field with all the players sitting, etc
dfosterf (2-Jan) : There was quite a bit of "chalk" matchups this year it seemed, but not this week coming up
Zero2Cool (2-Jan) : Or we got better and by we I mean everyone except me
Zero2Cool (2-Jan) : We have about six that by percent would have won nearly any season. I guess 2024 was predictable 🤷
Zero2Cool (2-Jan) : You can check previous seasons. I quick did it and don't think anyone hit 70% before
dfosterf (2-Jan) : Hats off to the Beast
dfosterf (2-Jan) : I'm at 71.76% in pick 'em. 2nd place. Beast is at a flat 75% 9 games ahead. That 75% has got to be unprecedented this late in the season
beast (2-Jan) : I don't care deeply, just want some good entertaining games
Zero2Cool (2-Jan) : BTW, not serious.
Zero2Cool (2-Jan) : You don't care about it either!!!!
Zero2Cool (2-Jan) : NIL and Portal killed college, no one cares about it.
Mucky Tundra (2-Jan) : outside of Texas-Arizona St, it's been a snoozefest
beast (2-Jan) : I expect Georgia will change that tomorrow, but we'll have to wait and see. If they do, then only Big 10 and SEC are left.
beast (2-Jan) : So much for Conference Championship meaning something as 100% (so far) of the conference Champions lost their first playoff game.
Zero2Cool (1-Jan) : Jaire had surgery, season over.
Mucky Tundra (1-Jan) : I guess I need a new sig Pic. Boo
Mucky Tundra (1-Jan) : Eric Dickerson approves of this decision
beast (1-Jan) : Eagles are resting RB Saquon Barkley, so there is no chance he breaks the record despite being just 101 yards from it
Zero2Cool (1-Jan) : Patriots are waiving veteran pass rusher Yannick Ngakoue
beast (1-Jan) : Happy New Year's 🥳🎉
beast (31-Dec) : I want to them chant some songs for Daniel Whelan
beast (31-Dec) : Let's win one! Also, hopefully the Irish will stand with Daniel Whelan
Mucky Tundra (31-Dec) : After London and Brazil, I could go without an overseas game for a while
Zero2Cool (31-Dec) : Packers. Steelers. Ireland. 2025. Reports say.
Zero2Cool (30-Dec) : Matt Lafleur on if Jaire will play again this season. "Yeah I don't know... he's been dealing with swelling."
Mucky Tundra (30-Dec) : After the way they played for most of the game yesterday, I don't see how you can sit anyone for the whole game
Zero2Cool (30-Dec) : I'd say play everyone. Going into playoffs at 7th seed on two game lose streak - yucky
Zero2Cool (30-Dec) : Do the Packers have any best players?
beast (30-Dec) : Play or Rest*
beast (30-Dec) : Should the Packers play or free their best players vs the Bears?
Zero2Cool (30-Dec) : Packers should be 3 - 2 in the Division. Bonkers being swept by both Lions and Vikings. yikes
go.pack.go. (30-Dec) : All crazy stuff…and good point beast
beast (30-Dec) : Packers should be 0-5 in the division, can't say I saw that coming, even 1-4
Zero2Cool (30-Dec) : Sam Darnold 35 TD's ... another one
Zero2Cool (30-Dec) : Baker Mayfield, 39 TD's ... can't say I saw that one
Zero2Cool (30-Dec) : No matter who is playing as 7th, I think we want them to win. Get rid of 2nd seed haha
go.pack.go. (30-Dec) : That would be dhazer who was rooting for Minnesota
beast (30-Dec) : Well, Commanders are currently the 6th seed and Packers the 7th
beast (30-Dec) : Who was it in Chat, that wanted the Vikings to win (because Lions fans upset them) because Packers could not lose the 6th seed?
beast (30-Dec) : If Falcons win, Packers stay as the 6th seed and Falcons lead the NFCS, if they lose, Commanders 6th and Bucs take NFCS lead
beast (30-Dec) : Win or Loss, the NFCS is going down to week 18
Mucky Tundra (30-Dec) : if the Falcons win, how does that affect the overall NFC playoff picture? Does it mean that the NFC South comes down to week 18?
beast (30-Dec) : If Commanders win, the Packers drop to the 7th seed
beast (29-Dec) : Taylor still at it!
beast (29-Dec) : Colts get the ball and fumble turn over
packerfanoutwest (29-Dec) : Jets pull Aaron Rodgers for Tyrod Taylor
Please sign in to use Fan Shout
2024 Packers Schedule
Friday, Sep 6 @ 7:15 PM
Eagles
Sunday, Sep 15 @ 12:00 PM
COLTS
Sunday, Sep 22 @ 12:00 PM
Titans
Sunday, Sep 29 @ 12:00 PM
VIKINGS
Sunday, Oct 6 @ 3:25 PM
Rams
Sunday, Oct 13 @ 12:00 PM
CARDINALS
Sunday, Oct 20 @ 12:00 PM
TEXANS
Sunday, Oct 27 @ 12:00 PM
Jaguars
Sunday, Nov 3 @ 3:25 PM
LIONS
Sunday, Nov 17 @ 12:00 PM
Bears
Sunday, Nov 24 @ 3:25 PM
49ERS
Thursday, Nov 28 @ 7:20 PM
DOLPHINS
Thursday, Dec 5 @ 7:15 PM
Lions
Sunday, Dec 15 @ 7:20 PM
Seahawks
Monday, Dec 23 @ 7:15 PM
SAINTS
Sunday, Dec 29 @ 3:25 PM
Vikings
Sunday, Jan 5 @ 12:00 PM
BEARS
Recent Topics
7h / Green Bay Packers Talk / bboystyle

8h / Around The NFL / Zero2Cool

23h / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

2-Jan / GameDay Threads / Zero2Cool

2-Jan / Green Bay Packers Talk / Martha Careful

2-Jan / Fantasy Sports Talk / dfosterf

1-Jan / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr

1-Jan / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

31-Dec / Featured Content / Zero2Cool

31-Dec / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr

30-Dec / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

30-Dec / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

29-Dec / Green Bay Packers Talk / go.pack.go.

27-Dec / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

27-Dec / Random Babble / Martha Careful

Headlines
Copyright © 2006 - 2025 PackersHome.com™. All Rights Reserved.