Mike McCarthy's Growth ·

RaiderPride
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I will admit that last year at this time I thought that the players had tuned Mike out. It can get that way because almost every coach only has so many stories, so many inspirational speeches and so many catch phrases. It can get old, unless of course you are a coaching in the NCAA where the turn over is constant.

I actually thought at this time last year it was a time for a change, and change was needed to take it to a Super Bowl championship. I thought the team talent was there, but the head coach was not the man to make it happen.

Now.. A year later, I thank The Lord I was not running the Packers a year ago.

I think the most remarkable advancement Mike has made is he has the team mentally, emotionally ready to play now on game day. I think his preparation has been far better then at any time in his Packer tenure as head coach.

I think he knows that two in a row will get him into the hall. I think that the veterans and the players know that if they ever are on the cusp of getting into the hall... Two in a row is the little note on the ballot that will get them in.

I reckon my question is.. What do you think Mike is doing better than he has in the years before last season?

Let's focus on Mike... And not get into a bitching session on his choice of his special teams coach.

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rabidgopher04
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What I think is impressive is that ever since he and Rodgers have been having their extended one-on-one sessions that the Packers have been darn near unstoppable. That shows some tremendous growth in my opinion.

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I think i was right there with u wanting mike gone, but that may have been the year before. But i am more than happy with him now. Actually, my biggest problem with what he does he actually didn't do last week. I normally can't stand it when he takes his foot off the gas and keeps teams in the game, i loved the killer instinct last week, didnt let off until 5 minutes left and a giant lead.

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He's a little taller.

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13 years ago

Shawn Slocum was a very poor decision it's the black eye on Mike McCarthy.

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Shawn Slocum was a very poor decision it's the black eye on Mike McCarthy.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool

From My Original Thread Seeking Feed Back From Packers Home Contributors (SCROLL UP TO THE TOP)

I Typed.... "Let's focus on Mike... And not get into a bitching session on his choice of his special teams coach."

I reckon this thread will now be a bitching sesson about Shawn Slocum.

Oh Well?

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I hate it when he forgets to put the cap on his red sharpie. Then he sticks it in the back of his hat. He looks like a dork with all that red sharpie marks all over the back of his neck.

That is all I got.

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It's an indisputable fact that in almost any game, aggressive play usually beats conservative play. My main bone of contention with Mike McCarthy used to be that in critical situations, he seemed to choose the conservative route, which often tended to blow up in his face. There were times he seemed, as Gregg Easterbook likes to put it, to be trying to lose as gracefully as possible -- that is, choosing plays that, if they didn't work out, would be most easily defensible before a hostile press and public. Hence he would punt it away when I thought he should have gone for the first down, or kick a field goal when I thought he could have tried for a touchdown. It's a lot easier to tell the press after a loss, "Well, you have to take the points" than "Well, statistically speaking, the right move there was to go for the touchdown, even though it didn't pan out." Many times, when he would settle for a punt or a field goal, I would "write the words 'Game over' in my notebook ," and more often than not, the Packers would in fact lose.

Lately, however, he seems to maintain an aggressive posture almost the entire game, and I love it. Last week, I was thrilled to see him go for it on 4th down in the red zone -- statistically, the right move to make. Even though it didn't work out that time, much to the chagrin of some of the guys in the chat room, it sent a message to the Broncos that there would be no surrender, no quarter taken, that if there was a chance for points, the Packers were going to take it. Yes, that decision probably prevented the Packers from having their first 50-point game in six years , but who cares? I love even more that he reinforced the message with the unusually timed onside kick, which caught everyone off guard. And finally, I love that he left Rodgers in until the last few minutes; in fact, I wouldn't have minded him leaving him in a little longer to get his fifth touchdown pass.

The Packers have a new face, there is a new sheriff in town, and the league has been put on notice that the Packers will show no mercy and take no prisoners. As long as Mike McCarthy maintains this posture, I believe this team will continue to be dominant.

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Reading some of the falcon's forums yesterday and they were bemoaning the fact that their GM hasn't come up with many "immediate impact" players. At once I thought "Well that's not how you make a great team, you draft and develop."

That points to Ted Thompson as a great talent evaluator and MM as a developer of that talent. I think MM can get the best out of his players over the long term.

(But I also wish he was more aggressive during games.)

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Originally Posted by: RaiderPride

Original thread, or opening post that began this thread? My scroll up is busteded, only scroll down works. 🤷

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Reading some of the falcon's forums yesterday and they were bemoaning the fact that their GM hasn't come up with many "immediate impact" players. At once I thought "Well that's not how you make a great team, you draft and develop."

That points to Ted Thompson as a great talent evaluator and Mike McCarthy as a developer of that talent. I think Mike McCarthy can get the best out of his players over the long term.

(But I also wish he was more aggressive during games.)

Originally Posted by: azrunning

I think most successful teams draft talent and have a coaching staff that can exploit that talent positively. Ron Wolf found talent, Mike Holmgren and staff coached them up. Same with Ted Thompson and Mike McCarthy.

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I'm with NSD about aggression. That was my main criticism of 🇲🇲 is sometimes, he wouldn't punch a guy when he's down.

Against the Br*n**s though (trying to cut down on my bad word usage), he went for the throat. The onside kick, the 4th and 1, both brilliant. The 38 passes vs 17 RB rushes. Loved that too. When a team like the Broncos has DB injuries, exploit it. (This isn't a run vs pass comment. I'm talking about exploiting injury situations).

And agreed that on 4th and 1 in the red zone, the odds say you go. 7 points > 3 points, but more importantly, it's a morale killer. I'm a big believer in morale. Had we failed, we put them in bad field position and give them a scare as they know we're not screwing around.

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I believe MM is a better coach in all aspects, game preparation, play calling, and adapting to the game as it's played. His "killer instinct" was great the end of last season and the playoffs. When he started to run with nearly 10 minutes left in the Saints game I was afraid he might backslide, but he doing better with it. He is also developing a knack for a surprise play at the right time, like his onside kicks.

He has always been a good QB coach so he can develop QBs. That goes a long way towards being successful. Add Tom Clements and their QB school and it even gets better.

Another very important key is the coaching staff now is much, much better than his first staff. This is imperitive if you are going to develop player by teaching them proper technique, discipline, motivate them, etc. Except for Slow Cum. LOL

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13 years ago

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McCarthy and Rodgers mic'd up against Denver

Watch this shit. McCarthy is a man in control. And for that matter, Aaron Rodgers is one cool cat.

Quick hits (as best as I can tell from listening to the audio):
- "Aaron listen to this lets go zoom-right outside [inaudible] let's take a shot here." Rodgers proceeds to throw perfect pass to Jordy Nelson for the TD.

-McCarthy: "Hey Dom, goin' with a surprise onside here [inaudible] and we're gonna get it."
Rodgers (on the sideline presumably a few moments later): "Surprise onside. He's really doin' it. He's really doin' it."

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evad04
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Also: Maybe McCarthy is reading the PH forums. He seems to be in touch with the notion that knockout punches (a.k.a. steppin' on the opponents' throats) are vital.

A quote from Donald Driver in an NFL.com article talking about this weekend's Bad Blood Matchup against ATL

"He's always talking about how we have to start fast. He said that we have to have that knockout punch," Driver said of McCarthy. "He said we haven't [thrown] the knockout punch yet. He's a big boxing fan -- he shows a couple clips of this guy, that guy -- and says we have to start knocking guys out... He's making sure he knocks out every team we play. He's bringing everything we got. He's bringing the whole kitchen sink."

Now, I'd wager that McCarthy is much the same in more ways that he's changed. BUT -- the ways in which he has changed are exciting. There's a swagger there that only bolsters the obsessive preparedness that has defined his early tenure in Green Bay. Could we all at least table the bullshit "I wish he'd get more angry at players on the sideline when they ... blah blah blah"

As fans we have always been hidden from the true workings of our head coach. He's a practice field screamer, a totally anal retentive/detail oriented organizer. And now he's got a ring, is allergic to complacency, and has instilled a heavy dose of moxie into his style.

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nerdmann
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I still think he's holding us back. LOL. I know, I know. We won the Superbowl. To me, that's more about Ted Thompson being able to stock this team with players. And Dom Capers putting it together on defense. MM's the weak link in that trio, IMHO. Yeah, he's a great QB guru. The QB school is awesome. I just think that there's something about his teams where they sometimes feel like they're stumbling over themselves. There are too many "ugly" sequences in games. Too consistently.
HOWEVER, MM can redeem himself in my eyes. We are now beginning the second quarter of the season. This is where his teams have always shit themselves. Let's see if we can get some consistent football out of these guys. If we don't have to verge on playoff elimination before just squeaking in by the skin of our teeth, I will shout MM's praises from the rooftops. Deal?

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I still think he's holding us back. LOL. I know, I know. We won the Superbowl. To me, that's more about Ted Thompson being able to stock this team with players. And Dom Capers putting it together on defense. MM's the weak link in that trio, IMHO. Yeah, he's a great QB guru. The QB school is awesome. I just think that there's something about his teams where they sometimes feel like they're stumbling over themselves. There are too many "ugly" sequences in games. Too consistently.
HOWEVER, Mike McCarthy can redeem himself in my eyes. We are now beginning the second quarter of the season. This is where his teams have always shit themselves. Let's see if we can get some consistent football out of these guys. If we don't have to verge on playoff elimination before just squeaking in by the skin of our teeth, I will shout MM's praises from the rooftops. Deal?

Originally Posted by: nerdmann

No deal. You are wrong. [middle finger]

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I still think he's holding us back. LOL. I know, I know. We won the Superbowl. To me, that's more about Ted Thompson being able to stock this team with players. And Dom Capers putting it together on defense. MM's the weak link in that trio, IMHO. Yeah, he's a great QB guru. The QB school is awesome. I just think that there's something about his teams where they sometimes feel like they're stumbling over themselves. There are too many "ugly" sequences in games. Too consistently.
HOWEVER, Mike McCarthy can redeem himself in my eyes. We are now beginning the second quarter of the season. This is where his teams have always shit themselves. Let's see if we can get some consistent football out of these guys. If we don't have to verge on playoff elimination before just squeaking in by the skin of our teeth, I will shout MM's praises from the rooftops. Deal?

Originally Posted by: nerdmann

Your lack of clearly defined paragraphs and complete sentences is holding you back.

Fundamentals, nerdmann, fundamentals.

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No deal. You are wrong. [middle finger]

Originally Posted by: evad04

LOL, I love you man.

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LOL, I love you man.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann

LOL man. [two-handed middle finger]

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