Dexter_Sinister
13 years ago

These are great points, but I just feel like even if we DID have all the luck, for some reason this team has to continuously underperform until the absolute last moment before they get their shit together.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 


I thought they outplayed every team they lost to. So I don't understand why you continue to use "underperformed." It was more like they were under resulted.

It plays into my assertion that luck took more away than it gave. They out played opponents and lost on fluky plays. I am not saying what if. I am saying they played well. Whether you could recognize it or not.

That is the difference between a fortunate year like '09 for the Vikings where they needed lucky fluky plays to beat mediocre teams, had extreemly fortunate draws on the schedule to happen to fall during struggling periods for opponents and got outplayed by the only good team they played but still made it to the NFCCG. If it were not for INTs that were dropped by opponents Ds, they would have been 8-8.

The Packers had luck and injuries against them and lost by 4 or less. They had every team out played, even with the injuries they had. Yet they still won the Super Bowl.

Courage, heart and team unity held the season together. Many guys stepping up to get the job done when they needed it. They deserve all the credit you don't want to give them.
I want to go out like my Grandpa did. Peacefully in his sleep.
Not screaming in terror like his passengers.
nerdmann
13 years ago

I thought they outplayed every team they lost to. So I don't understand why you continue to use "underperformed." It was more like they were under resulted.

It plays into my assertion that luck took more away than it gave. They out played opponents and lost on fluky plays. I am not saying what if. I am saying they played well. Whether you could recognize it or not.

That is the difference between a fortunate year like '09 for the Vikings where they needed lucky fluky plays to beat mediocre teams, had extreemly fortunate draws on the schedule to happen to fall during struggling periods for opponents and got outplayed by the only good team they played but still made it to the NFCCG. If it were not for INTs that were dropped by opponents Ds, they would have been 8-8.

The Packers had luck and injuries against them and lost by 4 or less. They had every team out played, even with the injuries they had. Yet they still won the Super Bowl.

Courage, heart and team unity held the season together. Many guys stepping up to get the job done when they needed it. They deserve all the credit you don't want to give them.

Originally Posted by: Dexter_Sinister 




Yeah, I'm trying to decide which is the norm, getting eliminated in Arizona or winning it all. Because, as we saw this past week, we tend to let teams hang around unnecessarily. This past week, we didn't have the ugly fluke play that cost us the win. Nearly so, but not quite.
“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”
Pack93z
13 years ago
In 2009 we lost with different roster of players than we won with in 2010.. that right there pretty much defeats much of the possible debate of what is the norm. Not to mention that each passing year will adjust some for the players capabilities up and down.. some players will be advanced.. some players will be in decline in level of play.

IMO.. it is way to subjective to try and compare the two different years and project into this season. Way to many variables in play.


That said.. one thing the Packers didn't face last season vs 2009 is a QB and passing offense that was extremely dynamic. Atlanta was the closest thing to it.. and they really only had one primary threat upon the offense in White. Gonzo is just a shadow of his former self.. capable at times but hardly a consistent threat.

2009 we faced an offense lead by a future HOF QB with a balanced receiving corp that the QB utilized. Ryan is still developing in that arena.. even still this season and he didn't utilize the weapons around him.. still locking in on one receiver until forced away from it.

Cutler.. please, physically gifted.. mentally and emotionally challenged because of a fragile ego and self esteem.

Vick.. sorry.. he is an exceptional talent.. but far from a highly polished passer and offensive mind, more of an instinctive players.

Big Ben.. great leader, physically gifted talent, but hardly a great passing QB and mind.

I am looking forward to the Packers getting into the playoffs and having to play a Brees or a Brady.. a truly dynamic passing talent with an exceptional offensive mind and a balanced arsenal around them. Ryan has all the talent to be in the conversation.. he just IMO has to learn to nonspecific in his read selection.. that will come with time in an offense where he has more than one choice that can be consistent. Rivers is more advanced at this point than Ryan.. I just don't think he has the team around him to make it to the SB.


"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"
Silentio
13 years ago

That said.. one thing the Packers didn't face last season vs 2009 is a QB and passing offense that was extremely dynamic. Atlanta was the closest thing to it.. and they really only had one primary threat upon the offense in White. Gonzo is just a shadow of his former self.. capable at times but hardly a consistent threat.

Originally Posted by: Pack93z 



What about the Pats? I thought the defense handled them pretty well, kept the game competitive at least so QB2 had a chance to win.
blank
Fan Shout
packerfanoutwest (47m) : Report: Aaron Rodgers wants to play in 2025, but not for the Jets
beast (2h) : That's what I told the Police officer about my speed when he pulled me over
packerfanoutwest (8h) : NFL told Bears that Packers’ blocked field goal was legal
packerfanoutwest (22-Nov) : 49ers are underdogs at Packers, ending streak of 36 straight games as favorites
Zero2Cool (22-Nov) : 49ers might be down their QB, DL, TE and LT?
packerfanoutwest (22-Nov) : Jaire Alexander says he has a torn PCL
Zero2Cool (20-Nov) : Even with the context it's ... what?
Mucky Tundra (20-Nov) : Matt LaFleur without context: “I don’t wanna pat you on the butt and you poop in my hand.”
beast (20-Nov) : We brought in a former Packers OL coach to help evaluate OL as a scout
beast (20-Nov) : Jets have been pretty good at picking DL
Zero2Cool (20-Nov) : He landed good players thanks to high draft slot. He isn't good.
Zero2Cool (20-Nov) : He can shove his knowledge up his ass. He knows nothing.
beast (20-Nov) : More knowledge, just like bring in the Jets head coach
Zero2Cool (19-Nov) : What? Why? Huh?
beast (19-Nov) : I wonder if the Packers might to try to bring Douglas in through Milt Hendrickson/Ravens connections
Zero2Cool (19-Nov) : The Jets fired Joe Douglas, per sources
packerfanoutwest (19-Nov) : Jets are a mess......
Zero2Cool (19-Nov) : Pretty sure Jets fired their scouting staff and just pluck former Packers.
Zero2Cool (19-Nov) : Jets sign Anders Carlson to their 53.
Zero2Cool (19-Nov) : When you cycle the weeks, the total over remains for season. But you get your W/L for that selected week. Confusing.
packerfanoutwest (19-Nov) : the total and percentage are the same as the previous weeks
packerfanoutwest (19-Nov) : the total and percentage are the same as the previous weeks
packerfanoutwest (19-Nov) : the totals are accurate..nrvrtmind
Zero2Cool (19-Nov) : I don't follow what you are saying. The totals are not the same as last week.
packerfanoutwest (19-Nov) : ok so then wht are the totals the same as last week?
Zero2Cool (19-Nov) : NFL Pick'em is auto updated when NFL Scores tab is clicked
Martha Careful (19-Nov) : The offense was OK. Let's not forget the Bear defense is very very good.
packerfanoutwest (19-Nov) : Who updates the leaderboard on NFLPickem?
beast (19-Nov) : Has the Packers offense been worse since the former Jets coach joined the Packers?
Zero2Cool (19-Nov) : Offense gets his ass in gear, this could be good.
Zero2Cool (19-Nov) : Backup QB helped with three wins. Special Teams contributed to three wins.
bboystyle (18-Nov) : Lions played outside thats why. They scored 16 and 17 in the only 2 outside games this year
Zero2Cool (18-Nov) : The rest of the NFL is catching up to Packers ... kicking is an issue throughout league
packerfanoutwest (18-Nov) : Packers DL Kenny Clark: We knew 'we were going to block' Bears' game-winning field goal attempt
Zero2Cool (18-Nov) : Lions seem to be throttling everyone, but only (only) got 24 lol maybe the rain is why
Zero2Cool (18-Nov) : Packers vs Lions game doesn't seem so bad.
beast (18-Nov) : Dennis Green "They are what we thought they were, and we let them off the hook!"
Martha Careful (17-Nov) : comment of the day Z2Cool "Bears better than we want to admit. Packers worse than we think. It's facts."
Mucky Tundra (17-Nov) : my worst case scenario: Bears fix their oline and get a coach like Johnson from the Lions and his scheme
Zero2Cool (17-Nov) : Bears get OL fixed amd we might have a problem
buckeyepackfan (17-Nov) : Pretty sure they already have scouting reports on guys who aren't even starting for their college team. The future is now for me.
buckeyepackfan (17-Nov) : I tend to let Gute and Co. Worry about the future.
beast (17-Nov) : That's great news and Packers need to keep upgrading their OL, DL and DBs this off-season, so missing one guy doesn't kill them
beast (17-Nov) : That's great news and Packers need to keep upgrading their OL, DL and DBs this off-season, so missing one guy doesn't kill them
buckeyepackfan (17-Nov) : Jaire and Evans Williams are both ACTIVE! Good news.
Martha Careful (17-Nov) : The badgers really need to change the whole offensive scheme. No draws no screens plus the quarterback is marginal
Cheesey (17-Nov) : If the Badgers had a decent QB, they would have won. The guy can't hit a wide open receiver
Martha Careful (17-Nov) : chop block
Martha Careful (17-Nov) : there was a very questionable job Block call that upon viewing replay was very borderline
beast (17-Nov) : How so? (I didn't watch)
Please sign in to use Fan Shout
2024 Packers Schedule
Friday, Sep 6 @ 7:15 PM
Eagles
Sunday, Sep 15 @ 12:00 PM
COLTS
Sunday, Sep 22 @ 12:00 PM
Titans
Sunday, Sep 29 @ 12:00 PM
VIKINGS
Sunday, Oct 6 @ 3:25 PM
Rams
Sunday, Oct 13 @ 12:00 PM
CARDINALS
Sunday, Oct 20 @ 12:00 PM
TEXANS
Sunday, Oct 27 @ 12:00 PM
Jaguars
Sunday, Nov 3 @ 3:25 PM
LIONS
Sunday, Nov 17 @ 12:00 PM
Bears
Sunday, Nov 24 @ 3:25 PM
49ERS
Thursday, Nov 28 @ 7:20 PM
DOLPHINS
Thursday, Dec 5 @ 7:15 PM
Lions
Sunday, Dec 15 @ 7:20 PM
Seahawks
Monday, Dec 23 @ 7:15 PM
SAINTS
Sunday, Dec 29 @ 12:00 PM
Vikings
Saturday, Jan 4 @ 11:00 PM
BEARS
Recent Topics
11m / Green Bay Packers Talk / dfosterf

2h / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

22-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / Martha Careful

21-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / Martha Careful

21-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

21-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

21-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

20-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

20-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

20-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

20-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr

19-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / dfosterf

19-Nov / Featured Content / Zero2Cool

19-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / Martha Careful

19-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr

Headlines
Copyright © 2006 - 2024 PackersHome.com™. All Rights Reserved.