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That means about 7-10 carries each. That is not enough for one player. Pick a guy and use him. If he struggles then try the other.

The goal is for Green Bay running backs Ryan Grant and James Starks to get an equal amount of rushing attempts Thursday night against New Orleans.

That's the plan for now, anyway.

With a healthy Grant back after missing nearly all of the 2010 season, the Packers are faced with the new challenge of merging his comeback with the progression of Starks, whose late-season emergence as a rookie paced the Packers through the playoffs.

And the only way to figure it out literally is to let things play out.

"We know what they can do," first-year running backs coach Jerry Fontenot said. "It's just a matter of getting them comfortable and making sure they've gotten enough reps to do it. The only way I see them doing that is getting them as equal of work as I possibly can."

Grant ran for 83 yards in 18 carries (4.6-yard average) in the preseason, his first football action after suffering a season-ending ankle injury in the opener a year ago.

"We'll bring Ryan back in and see how he handles the game and the contact," offensive coordinator Joe Philbin said. "He looks fine. He looks like he did before he ever got injured."

Starks had just 17 yards in four carries this summer, but his production from the postseason - 315 yards in 81 carries (3.9 average) - is still fresh on everyone's mind.

Starks began 2010 on the physically unable to perform list, so this is the first time the Packers have had the two backs together.

"They're both going to take pretty much all situations in the game," Fontenot said. "Evenly dispersed? I can't guarantee it. But I'm certainly going try to get each one of those guys an equal amount of opportunities to carry the football, to hold onto the football and to control the clock for us."

In an offense that probably will rely mostly on the passing game anyway, let's hold off on calling this anything like a two-back system or running back by committee just yet.

Fontenot is simply looking for a working combination between Grant and Starks, not unlike the one he had in Chicago when he was the center and blocked for Neal Anderson and Brad Muster. Fontenot said the balanced attack featured the speedy Anderson and powerful Muster.

"It's nice to have different options at tailback," Fontenot said. "We have Ryan who is as physical as anyone, playing behind his pads - a bruising-style runner. James is more elusive in the hole, but he's still a big back and he's strong, so tacklers bounce off him.

"So, what course is better? I don't know. We'll find out."

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13 years ago

That means about 7-10 carries each. That is not enough for one player. Pick a guy and use him. If he struggles then try the other.



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Especially since Grant gets some of his biggest yardage in the 4th quarter.
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This sounds like it's gonna be interesting... maybe in a good or bad way, we'll have to wait in see. I hope they have clear roles and don't have to question what the coach is gonna do next during the game because that could distract them a bit, if they're guessing what their coach is doing.

Also I wonder who the 3rd down back will be. MM said at the start of training camp, that if the season started then it would be Kuhn, fans have guessed Green would be doing it but some same he looks a bit too raw still and Grant and Starks haven't been the best in pass blocking (though it sounds like Starks was better than last year).
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13 years ago

Especially since Grant gets some of his biggest yardage in the 4th quarter.

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Agreed.

I'm under the impression that Grant doesn't get better in the 4th Q, but everyone else starts wearing down and Grant stays the same, thus he excels at 4th Q rushing.
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This sounds like it's gonna be interesting... maybe in a good or bad way, we'll have to wait in see. I hope they have clear roles and don't have to question what the coach is gonna do next during the game because that could distract them a bit, if they're guessing what their coach is doing.

Also I wonder who the 3rd down back will be. Mike McCarthy said at the start of training camp, that if the season started then it would be Kuhn, fans have guessed Green would be doing it but some same he looks a bit too raw still and Grant and Starks haven't been the best in pass blocking (though it sounds like Starks was better than last year).

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I have a feeling for the first few weeks Green is a game day inactive unless there are a lot of injuries. They have to come up with their 7 players some place. And the 4th RB might be one of them.
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13 years ago
Well, that makes my RB decision this week in FF easy. I grabbed Starks at the end of my draft for muh bench after I had just picked up Grant. I shall start them both (that's 4 RBs starting this week)!

I agree with Twinkiegorilla.

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Especially since Grant gets some of his biggest yardage in the 4th quarter.

Originally Posted by: rabidgopher04 



I especially like Grant in the 4th quarter when the game is within one score.

2008
1st - 90 for 366 (4.1)
2nd - 85 for 323 (3.8)
3rd - 80 for 266 (3.3)
4th - 57 for 248 (4.4)

4th within 7 - 39 for 198 (5.1)

2009
1st - 91 for 389 (4.3)
2nd - 61 for 305 (5.0)
3rd - 67 for 272 (4.1)
4th - 74 for 351 (4.7)

4th within 7 - 25 for 120 (4.8)
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13 years ago

I especially like Grant in the 4th quarter when the game is within one score.

2009
1st - 90 for 366 (4.1)
2nd - 85 for 323 (3.8)
3rd - 80 for 266 (3.3)
4th - 57 for 248 (4.4)

4th within 7 - 39 for 198 (5.1)

2010
1st - 91 for 389 (4.3)
2nd - 61 for 305 (5.0)
3rd - 67 for 272 (4.1)
4th - 74 for 351 (4.7)

4th within 7 - 25 for 120 (4.8)

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Impressive numbers for 2010.
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13 years ago
Looks like I missed a lot last year. I'm going to have to watch much, much closer!!!LOL
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One could predict a heavy split two headed backfield for a while.. so this is hardly news.

IMO.. they will adjust accordingly when "trends" appear.
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13 years ago
I'm still thinking the Packers run the wheels off Ryan Grant, unless he proves ineffective and James Starks proves to be more effective.

I'm thinking we'll see something like 60/40 or 70/30 with Grant taking the bulk.
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Impressive numbers for 2010.

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Yeah, guess that is a little off, lol.

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Yeah, guess that is a little off, lol.

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I'm guessing we run the ball well against the weak sisters, but abandon the run, like usual against teams that are stoudt in run defense. As long as Chad Clifton plays left tackle and light in the ass Scott Well is center, we will never have a power running game. This is fine with me because we have the best quarterback in the game today - why again do we want to take the ball out of his hands?


As long as we have this prolific passing attack - running backs in GB should be given incentive heavy contracts.
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13 years ago

I'm guessing we run the ball well against the weak sisters, but abandon the run, like usual against teams that are stoudt in run defense. As long as Chad Clifton plays left tackle and light in the ass Scott Well is center, we will never have a power running game. This is fine with me because we have the best quarterback in the game today - why again do we want to take the ball out of his hands?


As long as we have this prolific passing attack - running backs in GB should be given incentive heavy contracts.

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Uh oh. You and I are agreeing on something again. [aiee]
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I can’t imagine they won’t go with the hot hand. It might be Grant one week and Starks the next, though I fully expect somebody to grab hold of the job by midseason.
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13 years ago

As long as we have this prolific passing attack - running backs in GB should be given incentive heavy contracts.

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I've always thought every player should have an incentive based contract.
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I've always thought every player should have an incentive based contract.

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It's not as necessary in the NFL because a team can flat out cut an underperformer. Now the NBA and all their guaranteed contracts is a whole other story.
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I've always thought every player should have an incentive based contract.

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every single professional player in every sport should have a contract with a min salary based on years played and then the rest based on incentives.
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every single professional player in every sport should have a contract with a min salary based on years played and then the rest based on incentives.

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Why, they didn't pay any dues to get to the promised land? Your analogy sucks. These are special men, even the ones that turn into the TO's. They should be paid very well just to get there, hell the college players should be paid too for as much revenue as they bring in.
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