evad04
13 years ago
Before this thread further deteriorates into a fight at nerd recess: sorry Lambeau. Sweet Jesus, I'm sorry. When I made my original post it was a few posts into nerdmann boiling my blood and I wanted to make clear how absurd I think getting rid of Driver is. So I came in pissing vinegar, but honestly had no sense that when I'd return the next day someone would as totally offended as you were. I'll try to be more tactful.

I still believe Driver unquestionably deserves a roster spot. I'm prepared to defend that point, as I have. If I appear emotional, however, you shouldn't necessarily think it's because I'm some sad Driver-loving emo. That's unfair.
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13 years ago

I don't think I need to settle down or get thicker skin, I think you do.

Originally Posted by: evad04 



Um, where did I get upset about anything? I mocked your emotional response because it was stupid, not because I was upset. I responded to your claims because they were bullshit, not because my feelings were hurt by your ramblings.

You don't have to worry about offending me. You're the one who's blood was boiling earlier. You're the one who whined about language and personal attacks. You're the one who's now getting irritated. I'm fine. Thanks for your concern though.

EDIT- Just saw your recent response after typing this, for what it's worth. Thanks for that, but I really don't get offended over this stuff. It's just a Packer forum.

Anywho, how about that Tori Gurley? A team high for catches in preseason to go along with 5 blocked punts in TC! I'd hate to see him go, and as unlikely as it would be for the Packers to choose him over the old man, I'd like to see it happen. Just my opinion. I'm a believer in the concept that it's better to cut a guy a year too early than a year too late. With Driver, it might well BE a year too early, but I'm more willing to take that risk than to risk seeing Gurley blocking punts and outreaching CBs against us in Soldier Field.
evad04
13 years ago
Yeah, you're so cool and above everything. Well (to quote Lebowski) that's just your opinion, man. Pointing out things like language/personal attacks should hardly qualify as whining. Just as defending Driver and expressing frustration at the overall topic doesn't mean I need a good cry. When I perceive something to be silly, I dive in. That's what I do. Whether it's Grant getting the boot for Nance or Driver getting the boot to make room for younger guys, it doesn't matter. I'll be here.

Might be a bummer to lose a guy like Gurley. Maybe they should make room for him by not keeping 5 TEs. If it comes down to it, dumping Driver to save $4.5 million based on unproven potential and adhering to an ethic about "better a year earlier" is BAD for the Packers.

edit**: I don't get personally offended, either. When I say "my blood is boiling" isn't. This is a forum. Being a hothead makes it a lot more fun, trust me. And if you must know, the real reason I dragged this thing out (and looking back, it was ill advised) is because I really don't like being accused of being a homer. It get's too easy to put people into stereotypical camps: if you defend McCarthy, you're a homer. If you think Driver still has it, you're emotionally involved. The only extent to which I am emotionally involved is when someone floats an argument that I think is weak, I'm subsequently baffled, then I go on a rant. It's not about "Driver love" or "Favre love" or any of that.
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Zero2Cool
13 years ago

It's just a Packer forum.

Originally Posted by: get_louder_at_lambeau 


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nerdmann
13 years ago

Sure it was a matter of escalation. That'll happen when someone gets their emotions all tangled up in it like you did. You came across like a 12 year old who sleeps in his well worn #80 jersey and can't have a discussion about him that includes anything but praise and idolatry.

Sorry, but you acted just like Faver-worshipers acted when the team wanted to move on, and they thought anyone who didn't want him on the team was a big meanie. All upset and emo and trying to twist my reasoning. Case in point- I pointed out Drivers two drops in addition to his 7 last season. You focused only on "my completely overblown mention" of his drops last week, and acted like it was a total aberration, while you conveniently ignore Driver's team high 7 drops last year.

Your comparison of my reasoning to keep Gurley to Al Davis's obsession with combine numbers conveniently ignored Gurley's production as a punt blocking special teamer. You pretend it was all about his combine numbers. Comparing him to Heyward-Bey and Mike Mamula is just stupid and way wrong. He's nothing like either of them. He's not a combine hero in any way, and noting a player's height and reach doesn't make me senile or instantly make the player an analog of two of the bigger first round busts in recent history. Gurley is a UDFA who has produced in Training Camp, not some overhyped workout warrior who looked good jumping around in shorts before the draft. He's practically the opposite of the guys you mentioned. Just more of your irrational, emotional defense of a GB legend by putting down his competition through flawed logic.

Similar to how Nick Barnett wasn't worth $6 mil as our 3rd ILB, I don't think Driver is likely to produce at a level worthy of $5 mil of compensation this year, and I don't want to see Gurley cut just to keep a 36 year old WR for his intangibles. Apparently that thought makes you all emotional and makes me Al Davis. 🤔

Now you try to pretend you were laughing, while your original post said your blood was boiling. You try to act like I'm the one who started with the bad language, while you were the one talking about not giving "a flying diarrhea shit" and were also the first one to initiate namecalling when you called me a douchebag. I discussed my opinion of the Packers' options at WR. You got all upset. You admit you were being hotheaded and sarcastic, yet still try to blame me with your bullshit about "must make you feel like a big man" and whatnot. One last stab and before you announce the hatchet is buried, huh? =d>

If you want to talk rationally about BOTH the pros and cons of a football decision, great. That was what I was aiming for in my first post that got you all upset. Let's hear it.

Originally Posted by: get_louder_at_lambeau 





Let's just settle it this way: I'm the biggest asshole on this forum. We all know that Driver probably won't get cut, for whatever reason, and leave it at that.
I don't know why people get so emotionally involved in these issues. I think alot of times people identify personally with players. This was most obvious in the white trash infatuation with Favre. There are still holdouts in that regard.
Another thing is people often resent me, because I'm way smarter than they are, and I'm also very good looking. I love you guys. We're all for the same team, man! xoxo
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nerdmann
13 years ago
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/packers.html 

Gurley's cut.
“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”
Zero2Cool
13 years ago

Let's just settle it this way: I'm the biggest asshole on this forum.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 


Bud, being ignorant does not mean you are a big asshole. 🙂
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evad04
13 years ago
Nerdmann -- I don't think you are an asshole. I just don't agree with you on football. Now, if you thought me an asshole that would honestly be a defensible position. I give you an extremely hard time, and you just smile. But I need you to be here, because it leads to discussion.
William Henderson didn't have to run people over. His preferred method was levitation.
"I'm a reasonable man, get off my case."
nerdmann
13 years ago

Nerdmann -- I don't think you are an asshole. I just don't agree with you on football. Now, if you thought me an asshole that would honestly be a defensible position. I give you an extremely hard time, and you just smile. But I need you to be here, because it leads to discussion.

Originally Posted by: evad04 




Lol I love you man.
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