Greg C.
13 years ago

Why the generalization? Who's saying the Packers should cut Ryan Grant in favor of keeping Dimitri Nance? I know this is a long thread, but I don't recall that.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



You might want to take a look at the thread title and the initial post, for starters.

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evad04
13 years ago

Basically this. Just trying to keep up with nerdmann

Originally Posted by: Silentio 


I LOL'd.

And thanks Greg C. for beating me to the punch and pointing the real doozie of bullshit in this thread. Attention gentleman:

Had Sherrod not been shifted to guard, he'd have beaten out Chad Clifton already

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13 years ago

I LOL'd.

And thanks Greg C. for beating me to the punch and pointing the real doozie of bullshit in this thread. Attention gentleman:

Had Sherrod not been shifted to guard, he'd have beaten out Chad Clifton already

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Originally Posted by: evad04 



Yeah, I can't even defend my boy Nerdmann for that doozie, but the Nance thing is from the article not my demented mind.

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Zero2Cool
13 years ago

Fine, I was going to say, if only I had $5; you'd be calling me Daddy!

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 



lmao, I was figuring you were using the whole 'scold' comment because you had nothing to come back with. This proves it. But hey, how about $774 a month??? I'll call you whatever the hell you want me to!! lol



Greg C. I read it wrong then. I took it more as saying it could be possible, not that the Packers were better off with cutting Grant and keeping Nance. In my defense, there weren't many good pictures.
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evad04
13 years ago

Ever thought about the contract changes being accepted from Grant's side were not as much because of a fear of being cut, but because of a mutual agreement that this'd be better for both sides?

I mean, with Starks exploding in the play-offs the way he did last year, he's going to take some hand-offs from Grant. Hitting those incentives might become quite a bit harder that way. Going to a 2.5 mil guaranteed contract might actually be better for him. And for the organization, as well, clearing up 1 mil in cap space. It's a win-win, that way.

Now, I'm not sure if that's what really happened. Of course he should be a little anxious, but let's be honest, if he's not the best HB on the roster, he's the 2nd best. Starks has had his share of injuries and his play has been up and down. Alex Green hasn't done a thing, but seems to be the beneficiary of some green and gold goggles.

Not quite sure what Nance did to deserve that roster spot, either. Is it the 2.7 avg last year, the 7-runs sample in the pre-season this year or his non-standout practice results?

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Good for both sides? Way too optimistic, brah. They just guaranteed him money because ... because they wanna get rid of him or something. /sarcasm

I actually really like this post. For someone like Grant, getting $2.5 mil guaranteed against performance and injury isn't a bad idea. I'm just speculating, but I think he might also want to stick around in Green Bay. Whether he gets another contract will likely depend on his performance. He will be 29 by the end of the season so I won't be shocked if Green Bay picks youth in the offseason -- but again, I'd like to think that it his future will be contingent on how he plays.

And for the record, I am excited about Starks and Green. It's just hard to say that either are "better" than Grant when they haven't done it before. If after 5-6 games Starks is doing more with less (or more with more if he's cut that dramatically into Grant's carries) I'll be the first one to change my tune. But I'll change it based on what happens on the 2011 Packers rather than rely on a limited sample from last season. When Starks put up some good numbers (and to be fair, it's not like he set the world on fire) we'd just suffered through nearly 3 months of NO run game whatsoever. In that sense a 70-yard game was stupefying. Similarly, we were all stupefied in '07 when Grant came out of nowhere. Now, I'm not citing a season from four years ago as reason for still having confidence in Grant. No, for him, it's the additive effect of being a back-to-back, solid-if-not-sexy 1,200 yard rusher. He goes down to injury, has plenty of time to heal, and now that expectation level is back to where it was before.

Silentio pointed out that 4-yard boring runner is all our offense needs. Grant can be that guy again, I believe. Can Starks or Green? They both seem to have tons of talents, so I sure hope they get involved. If they're so great that they usurp the job, I'm all for it.
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13 years ago



Silentio pointed out that 4-yard boring runner is all our offense needs. Grant can be that guy again, I believe. Can Starks or Green?

Originally Posted by: evad04 




See this is where you guys all miss the boat in my opinion. 4 yards a rush is good, you eat the clock, ladadadada.

What about hitting the home run once in a while with your running back. It demoralizes a defense. I don't think Grant is that guy anymore, cause I rarely ever see him break a tackle. I'm not saying he never has, but it is rare.
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Zero2Cool
13 years ago

See this is where you guys all miss the boat in my opinion. 4 yards a rush is good, you eat the clock, ladadadada.

What about hitting the home run once in a while with your running back. It demoralizes a defense. I don't think Grant is that guy anymore, cause I rarely ever see him break a tackle. I'm not saying he never has, but it is rare.

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 



Ryan Grant was never really a major threat to take it to the house 40+ yards. He has had a few, sure, but that's because he ran through a good size hole at the line and the secondary had to do a 180 to chase him down. I don't care how fast you are, that's extremely hard to do.
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13 years ago

See this is where you guys all miss the boat in my opinion. 4 yards a rush is good, you eat the clock, ladadadada.

What about hitting the home run once in a while with your running back. It demoralizes a defense. I don't think Grant is that guy anymore, cause I rarely ever see him break a tackle. I'm not saying he never has, but it is rare.

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 



This is where you and I differ I guess. Grant has a second gear. Starks doesn't. Whereas Starks may break more tackles, he's gonna get caught from behind. Grant isn't.

Grant is more likely to bust the 20+ yard runs. I don't see Starks doing too many of them. Starks is more likely to run the first guy over. Grant is more likely to be tackled by the first guy.

Apples and oranges. We could use both styles. Grant's style is more likely to have a longer career though. Starks' style is more likely to get him injured.
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13 years ago

This is where you and I differ I guess. Grant has a second gear. Starks doesn't. Whereas Starks may break more tackles, he's gonna get caught from behind. Grant isn't.

Grant is more likely to bust the 20+ yard runs. I don't see Starks doing too many of them. Starks is more likely to run the first guy over. Grant is more likely to be tackled by the first guy.

Apples and oranges. We could use both styles. Grant's style is more likely to have a longer career though. Starks' style is more likely to get him injured.

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What makes you think I was talking about Starks? My chubbie is over Alex Green; and I want to see him lined up with Sitton and the boys to see what he can do from scrimmage.
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Zero2Cool
13 years ago
Ryan Grant's long runs have come when he had a big hole to run through and the defenders had to change direction to catch him.

James Starks has not had an opportunity to show he won't get caught from behind, however, I feel it could happen because of his wide running stance. That same wide stance also provides better balance I would imagine, but sacrifices straight line speed.
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